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[K1Bond007]

Up to $453 million. Good job, CR.

It was at 454 million through Monday.

If you add in the new US figures it's closer to 460 and with the foreign gross it should be passing For Your Eyes Only and Diamonds Are Forever to become the #13 highest grossing Bond film any time now. If it finishes the week around 475 it should beat Dr. No too to take #12.

With New Years I think it's going to happen. It may be close. The next week and the week after we should see Royale finally duking it out with Brosnan's four. Fun times ahead.

[dinovelvet]

If you add in the new US figures it's closer to 460 and with the foreign gross it should be passing For Your Eyes Only and Diamonds Are Forever to become the #13 highest grossing Bond film any time now. If it finishes the week around 475 it should beat Dr. No too to take #12.

With New Years I think it's going to happen. It may be close. The next week and the week after we should see Royale finally duking it out with Brosnan's four. Fun times ahead.

Yeah it should probably be at $150 tomorrow (Sat) morning, and with the holiday Monday, will have $154ish in the bank on Tuesday morning. From there its only $7 million to beat DAD (which had 160.9). Now that they're this close, Sony will definitely give it that last push to cross the finish line : to beat DAD in the US, and get $500 mil worldwide.

[Qwerty]

Qwerty you might want to update the "Estimates" section. One paragraph in there can probably be removed since the estimate already occurred.

Just a heads up.

Ah yes! Will do--thanks.

[mario007]

With a proven bond in DC, and a bit more of Americanization (higher fantasy quotient and a popular US actor in a supporting role) bond 22 should be able to pass the 200 million dollar mark easily ... no?

Edited by mario007, 30 December 2006 - 08:07 PM.

[Publius]

Hmm. Casino Royale is looking to beat GoldenEye's adjusted domestic take ($160m), maybe even that of TWINE ($165m), and possibly even the average of the Brosnans ($170m or so), to say nothing of beating them all worldwide with well over half a billion dollars in revenue, despite its darker, more controversial content and in the midst of a downward trend for the entire movie industry. Then there's that whole unprecedented universal critical and popular acclaim thing. I think it's more than safe enough to say things are looking great right about now.

On a side note, does anyone know if and when we'll hear any official admissions figures? I know K1 is giving us some good estimates, but I'd love to see the stamp of approval on it.

[annita]

With a proven bond in DC, and a bit more of Americanization (higher fantasy quotient and a popular US actor in a supporting role) bond 22 should be able to pass the 200 million dollar mark easily ... no?

I don't care about the 200 mill $ mark, what you are describing is what got PB from GE to DAD.
the approach to Bond22 should be to make a good movie with good scripts and a very capable supporting cast...the rest will take care of itself.

[Loomis]

If you add in the new US figures it's closer to 460 and with the foreign gross it should be passing For Your Eyes Only and Diamonds Are Forever to become the #13 highest grossing Bond film any time now. If it finishes the week around 475 it should beat Dr. No too to take #12.

With New Years I think it's going to happen. It may be close. The next week and the week after we should see Royale finally duking it out with Brosnan's four. Fun times ahead.

Yeah it should probably be at $150 tomorrow (Sat) morning, and with the holiday Monday, will have $154ish in the bank on Tuesday morning. From there its only $7 million to beat DAD (which had 160.9). Now that they're this close, Sony will definitely give it that last push to cross the finish line : to beat DAD in the US, and get $500 mil worldwide.

I wonder whether it'll beat THE BOURNE SUPREMACY's $176 million Stateside haul. With reference to mario007's post of just now, SUPREMACY has no "fantasy quotient" (it's grittier, more low-key and more downbeat than the celluloid Bond has ever been - it almost makes CASINO ROYALE look like DIE ANOTHER DAY), and zero American big names in the supporting cast, with the possible exception of Julia Stiles, although her role is tiny (Joan Allen and Brian Cox don't count). In which light, SUPREMACY's gross seems a remarkable achievement, and I guess it goes to show that BOND 22 won't necessarily have to be, as it were, DADed-up in order to outperform CR.

[Four Aces]

I wonder whether it'll beat THE BOURNE SUPREMACY's $176 million Stateside haul. With reference to mario007's post of just now, SUPREMACY has no "fantasy quotient" (it's grittier, more low-key and more downbeat than the celluloid Bond has ever been - it almost makes CASINO ROYALE look like DIE ANOTHER DAY), and zero American big names in the supporting cast, with the possible exception of Julia Stiles, although her role is tiny (Joan Allen and Brian Cox don't count). In which light, SUPREMACY's gross seems a remarkable achievement, and I guess it goes to show that BOND 22 won't necessarily have to be, as it were, DADed-up in order to outperform CR.

Hey Loomie, and Happy New Year! to my favorite CBn debating nemesis

I think if the franchise keeps up with this new formula for Bond as done in CR, then Bourne will be severely challenged in the future. I've been worried about the Bond franchise for the longest. Glad they have succeeded with CR. Best Bond film yet, and Best Bond, IMHO.

4A

P.S. Glad he doesn't run like a girl, ahem...like the last Bond

[Loomis]

Best Bond film yet, and Best Bond, IMHO.

Agreed. Happy 2007, 4A.

[K1Bond007]

On a side note, does anyone know if and when we'll hear any official admissions figures? I know K1 is giving us some good estimates, but I'd love to see the stamp of approval on it.

Maybe during a revenue reporting type thing. March 31st or thereabouts for that. Someone like ACE may be able to find out at that point or maybe even sooner.

[DamnCoffee]

YES!!!!!!!!! Kiss my Craignotbond.com $450,000,000. Casino Royale has beaten Die Another Day at the box office.
And you were saying something about Casino Royale been a flop?

[HildebrandRarity]

I wonder whether it'll beat THE BOURNE SUPREMACY's $176 million Stateside haul. With reference to mario007's post of just now, SUPREMACY has no "fantasy quotient" (it's grittier, more low-key and more downbeat than the celluloid Bond has ever been - it almost makes CASINO ROYALE look like DIE ANOTHER DAY), and zero American big names in the supporting cast, with the possible exception of Julia Stiles, although her role is tiny (Joan Allen and Brian Cox don't count). In which light, SUPREMACY's gross seems a remarkable achievement, and I guess it goes to show that BOND 22 won't necessarily have to be, as it were, DADed-up in order to outperform CR.

Hey Loomie, and Happy New Year! to my favorite CBn debating nemesis

I think if the franchise keeps up with this new formula for Bond as done in CR, then Bourne will be severely challenged in the future. I've been worried about the Bond franchise for the longest. Glad they have succeeded with CR. Best Bond film yet, and Best Bond, IMHO.

4A

P.S. Glad he doesn't run like a girl, ahem...like the last Bond

James Bond just kicked sand in Jason Bourne's face around the world in it's 20th sequel. That says it all.

[Miss M]

Hi. Newbie here! I live in the U.S. and I wanted to make a few comments regarding the box office over here. In my opinion, a couple of things happened, the most obvious of which is that the movie premiered close to Thanksgiving on the same weekend as HF, so all my friends who have kids were sitting their duffs in a seat watching the penguins with the little ones. Also, I don't think I personally saw the trailer for this on TV more than once (it might be the channels I was watching, but it does seem strange). I am a movie junkie, so I was aware who Daniel was and aware of his previous work, but I would venture to say that most people would be saying "Daniel who?" over here. That's unfortunate, but folks just don't connect the dots with stuff like that (Gerard Butler has the same problem -- he's been in a lot of movies but nobody can place the name or the face.)

I think I'm more curious to know why DAD did better than CR considering DAD really jumped the shark for me. I like Bond movies, but I had sworn off of them after the disappearing car. Sorry to anybody who is offended by that! But Dalton was my favorite Bond until DC came along, probably because of his bada--edness, closest to what Fleming envisioned. Unfortunately his first movie was better than his second one, and people over here do like Brosnan. He may be Irish, but he was so well known over here and seemed to embody the suaveness of Bond, although I'll take the (very) small hit with that we get with Craig for the other advantages he has any day of the week.

The movie was also pretty long, which meant there were fewer showings per theater, and once it got to the point where it is now -- sharing a theater with another film -- it's hard to fit it in with 2 hour movies to do that. I'm finding that some theaters are showing HF during the day and then showing CR in that same theater maybe only once due to the length. I'd love to see some stats purely about how many tickets were sold vs. HF and vs. DAD if anyone has any.

I think CR will do VERY well in DVD rentals and sales, that will be interesting stats to track.

[Publius]

I think I'm more curious to know why DAD did better than CR considering DAD really jumped the shark for me.

That brings up an interesting point. I actually know people who were "boycotting" CR not because of Craig, Brosnan, or the reboot, but because DAD (and in some cases, TWINE or TND) was the last straw for them.

If were to identify the key reasons for CR underperforming DAD in the States, they would be (in no particular order):

(1) General decline in admissions. CR is outranking DAD when compared to other movies of its release year, and box office is down from a few years ago, despite inflation.

(2) Darker and more violent/mature content. CR is far less substitutable for family friendly fare than DAD was and even the other Brosnans were.

(3) The aforementioned casual boycotting being done by fans who simply distrust the same powers that be as usual of being able to change their ways.

(4) A more "international feel" (hard to explain this one, but I think most would agree with me) as opposed to the "Americanized" Brosnan romps.

(5) Lack of American star power, star power familiar to Americans, and even plain ol' Americans. Will probably reverse with Bond 22 and beyond, just as did for all the other Bond actors.

(6) And yes, there is some loyalty to Brosnan and the old direction that may have outweighed Craig's fanbase or interest in him and the new direction.

(7) Longer running time. Most of any Bond movie, and much more than the average of Brosnan's, especially his last three.

Still, impressive that CR is nevertheless likely to match and even beat the final results (inflation adjusted) of Brosnan's debut 11 years ago, having already done so in terms of opening weekend.

[Miss M]

Another thought comes to mind on DAD vs. CR - was DAD popular here because of the Halle Berry factor? Hmmm...

[annita]

Another thought comes to mind on DAD vs. CR - was DAD popular here because of the Halle Berry factor? Hmmm...

I think casting Halle Berry(fresh from her Oscar win), and having Madonna do the title song ensured more exposure and hype for the film, add that it was the 20th film and there was the sentimental nod for the previous movies, and DAD was sure to be more popular.
strangely enough.. all the things I mentioned above are the reasons I didn't go to see it in theaters( a first for me considering it was a bond movie)

[Monkeyfoahead]

That boycott really worked didn't it?

[Loomis]

I think I'm more curious to know why DAD did better than CR considering DAD really jumped the shark for me.

That brings up an interesting point. I actually know people who were "boycotting" CR not because of Craig, Brosnan, or the reboot, but because DAD (and in some cases, TWINE or TND) was the last straw for them.

If were to identify the key reasons for CR underperforming DAD in the States, they would be (in no particular order):

(1) General decline in admissions. CR is outranking DAD when compared to other movies of its release year, and box office is down from a few years ago, despite inflation.

(2) Darker and more violent/mature content. CR is far less substitutable for family friendly fare than DAD was and even the other Brosnans were.

(3) The aforementioned casual boycotting being done by fans who simply distrust the same powers that be as usual of being able to change their ways.

(4) A more "international feel" (hard to explain this one, but I think most would agree with me) as opposed to the "Americanized" Brosnan romps.

(5) Lack of American star power, star power familiar to Americans, and even plain ol' Americans. Will probably reverse with Bond 22 and beyond, just as did for all the other Bond actors.

(6) And yes, there is some loyalty to Brosnan and the old direction that may have outweighed Craig's fanbase or interest in him and the new direction.

Still, impressive that CR is nevertheless likely to match and even beat the final results (inflation adjusted) of Brosnan's debut 11 years ago, having already done so in terms of opening weekend.

Well, DAD didn't beat CR by all that much in the States, and it's more than possible that CR will end up surpassing it over there.

As for this business of "darker and more violent/mature content", and without wishing to sound like a broken record, how come THE BOURNE SUPREMACY, which is darker than CR (IMO, anyway), and considerably darker than DAD, took roughly the same amount more than DAD at the US box office than DAD has so far taken than CR? (Grammar going a bit tits-up here, but y'know what I mean.)

Bowling around the pages of Box Office Mojo, as I'm sure many of us have been doing recently, I'm very surprised by some of the figures. I'm still staggered by the outrageously mammoth gross of PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MAN'S CHEST. And also MEET THE FOCKERS - had no idea that that had been such a megasmash - $279 million. Amazing. And it's dire! How? How?

But my favourite Box Office Mojo statistic has to be BASIC INSTINCT 2's pisspoor haul of.... $5 million. Wow. That had to hurt.

[JackWade]

With a proven bond in DC, and a bit more of Americanization (higher fantasy quotient and a popular US actor in a supporting role) bond 22 should be able to pass the 200 million dollar mark easily ... no?

Daniel Craig being proven as Bond... yes, that will help.

A bit more of Americanization... highly unlikely. Why go back to that when Eon has realized that you can make a successful and widely praised film without making a senseless action movie with big name American actors? Won't happen.

Passing the $200 million mark in the US... possibly, but not very likely. CR should outgross DAD's domestic mark barely, but I doubt it will make much more than $170 million. Unless ticket prices go through the roof (even moreso than now) and inflation spikes dramatically, I'm not so sure Bond 22 will pass $200 million. You never know, though.

[mario007]

I looked at some of the box office figures, POTC - DMC was just a big joke! Was it really even a movie? Just a bunch of poor gags strung together with a paper thin connect the dots plot! Unbelivable that it made so much money ... just mind boggeling! Rented it just to make sure, and it was worse than I remember from the theater! How did it make sooo much money?!? I am sure Bond 22 will cross the $200 million dollar mark in 2008! It will be a little bit lighter (not by much) than CR!

[K1Bond007]

It was at 454 million through Monday.

If you add in the new US figures it's closer to 460 and with the foreign gross it should be passing For Your Eyes Only and Diamonds Are Forever to become the #13 highest grossing Bond film any time now. If it finishes the week around 475 it should beat Dr. No too to take #12.

Update:
$466 million through Wednesday. Nice jump in two days. Add in Thursday and Fridays domestic take and it's about 468/469. That puts it past FYEO and DAF at #13 and it's only 5 or so million from beating Dr. No which it'll definitely pass very soon if not already. Tomorrow Never Dies is up next.

[Publius]

Well, DAD didn't beat CR by all that much in the States, and it's more than possible that CR will end up surpassing it over there.

Yes, but we have to correct for inflation, or better said, compare admissions. In that regard, CR will almost assuredly be 10% less than DAD. But given some of the other factors I listed, that may very well translate to a better public reception. The ratings given by...well, just about everyone seem to back that theory up.

As for this business of "darker and more violent/mature content", and without wishing to sound like a broken record, how come THE BOURNE SUPREMACY, which is darker than CR (IMO, anyway), and considerably darker than DAD, took roughly the same amount more than DAD at the US box office than DAD has so far taken than CR? (Grammar going a bit tits-up here, but y'know what I mean.)

Well, it was building on the success of The Bourne Identity, starred the very popular and widely known Matt Damon, and was accepted for what it is. Bond being offered as darker and grittier isn't the same sell, because not only will some of fandom reject it, but many of those who would accept it are skeptical it's for real (the casual fan, non-CnB boycott I mentioned earlier), and may be waiting for the DVD, and still then might have to be sold with more similar films (may sound silly, but some people do hold grudges, for lack of a better word).

Some may also find CR too much of a middle ground between the extremes of Bourne and DAD. I for one consider it's ability to balance realism and seriousness with fantasy and lightness a strength, but others don't. Then there's the simple difference in how the movies were popularly received (box office numbers and "quality" seem to have exactly zero correlation when it comes to movies). Release dates (summer vs. winter) might also factor in, as might running times (which reminds me of a point I forgot to include in my last post, and will now edit in, so thanks!).

Really, there's just so many factors involved, I think it's impossible to say with certainty why, say, The Bourne Supremacy did better than CR. But I do think the various points I raised, when taken together, explain much of the difference in success between the two, as they also do for DAD and CR. It may seem like I was stating the obvious, but I was just trying to present in a neat little bullet point list, is all.

[JackWade]

I looked at some of the box office figures, POTC - DMC was just a big joke! Was it really even a movie? Just a bunch of poor gags strung together with a paper thin connect the dots plot! Unbelivable that it made so much money ... just mind boggeling! Rented it just to make sure, and it was worse than I remember from the theater! How did it make sooo much money?!? I am sure Bond 22 will cross the $200 million dollar mark in 2008! It will be a little bit lighter (not by much) than CR!

That's what happens when you have movies that appeal to little girls.

[Loomis]

Well, DAD didn't beat CR by all that much in the States, and it's more than possible that CR will end up surpassing it over there.

Yes, but we have to correct for inflation, or better said, compare admissions. In that regard, CR will almost assuredly be 10% less than DAD. But given some of the other factors I listed, that may very well translate to a better public reception. The ratings given by...well, just about everyone seem to back that theory up.

As for this business of "darker and more violent/mature content", and without wishing to sound like a broken record, how come THE BOURNE SUPREMACY, which is darker than CR (IMO, anyway), and considerably darker than DAD, took roughly the same amount more than DAD at the US box office than DAD has so far taken than CR? (Grammar going a bit tits-up here, but y'know what I mean.)

Well, it was building on the success of The Bourne Identity, starred the very popular and widely known Matt Damon, and was accepted for what it is. Bond being offered as darker and grittier isn't the same sell, because not only will some of fandom reject it, but many of those who would accept it are skeptical it's for real (the casual fan, non-CnB boycott I mentioned earlier), and may be waiting for the DVD, and still then might have to be sold with more similar films (may sound silly, but some people do hold grudges, for lack of a better word).

Some may also find CR too much of a middle ground between the extremes of Bourne and DAD. I for one consider it's ability to balance realism and seriousness with fantasy and lightness a strength, but others don't. Then there's the simple difference in how the movies were popularly received (box office numbers and "quality" seem to have exactly zero correlation when it comes to movies). Release dates (summer vs. winter) might also factor in, as might running times (which reminds me of a point I forgot to include in my last post, and will now edit in, so thanks!).

Really, there's just so many factors involved, I think it's impossible to say with certainty why, say, The Bourne Supremacy did better than CR. But I do think the various points I raised, when taken together, explain much of the difference in success between the two, as they also do for DAD and CR. It may seem like I was stating the obvious, but I was just trying to present in a neat little bullet point list, is all.

Good points, Publius. I'd really like CR to beat DAD in the United States, not just because it's a (considerably) better film and thus deserves a higher gross, but because the Craig-haters will doubtless use "CR fails to match DAD" as "proof" that "Americans have rejected Craig", "It would have done better with Brosnan", and so on.

[annita]

Good points, Publius. I'd really like CR to beat DAD in the United States, not just because it's a (considerably) better film and thus deserves a higher gross, but because the Craig-haters will doubtless use "CR fails to match DAD" as "proof" that "Americans have rejected Craig", "It would have done better with Brosnan", and so on.

shouldn't the comparison really be between CR and GE? both are the first films for Bond actors, both came after a long absence, and both were looked at as a new beginning for the franchise. By the time DAD came out , PB was established and very popular as Bond, and he film had another major star in it...

[A Kristatos]

Good point Loomis about wanting CR to beat DAD just to shut up the anti-Craig crowd! Even a 5% inflation adjusted drop in box office will be enough fuel to keep the Craig haters going for at least two more years.

The way I see it, based on the Friday estimate, I think CR might just be able to overtake DAD by a few million. However, as I stated on an earlier post, CR really needs to gross $175 million or higher in the U.S. to take into account the inflation adjustments from 2002/2003. It probably won't make that, but a good weekend this weekend might help get it close.

[dinovelvet]

http://www.boxoffice...t...d=52&p=.htm

This weekend's estimates put CR at 153.4...with the holiday on Monday it should hit 155. It looks like a lock to pass DAD now!

[JackWade]

http://www.boxoffice...t...d=52&p=.htm

This weekend's estimates put CR at 153.4...with the holiday on Monday it should hit 155. It looks like a lock to pass DAD now!

Nice. Very strong holiday numbers.

Can't wait to see the international figures tomorrow. Should've had a great week.

[kneelbeforezod]

Even a 5% inflation adjusted drop in box office will be enough fuel to keep the Craig haters going for at least two more years.

Really? Aren't the so-called "Craig haters" pretty much dead and buried? They can say what they like now, nobody is listening.

[dinovelvet]

Even a 5% inflation adjusted drop in box office will be enough fuel to keep the Craig haters going for at least two more years.

Really? Aren't the so-called "Craig haters" pretty much dead and buried? They can say what they like now, nobody is listening.

Both of them are still trying desperately...I actually looked at their page the other day, they were reporting on CR's "failure" in that it only opened at No.2 in Japan. I mean, holy , is that the kind of thing they're reduced to? Its kind of amusing to think of all the pages and pages of news about CR breaking all kinds of box office records & outdoing the Brosnan films she would have had to read through to get to that little nugget of info. This is just straight up bat denial at this point. If CR has "failed" then all of Brosnan's films have, too.