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[Vauxhall]

Have we already mentioned the change in name of the hotel in the Bahamas from the "One and Only Club" to the "Ocean Club"? Not a big deal, just an interesting change.

The full name of the club in real life is the "One and Only Ocean Club", with "One and Only" being the actual brand name, i.e. the range of hotel resorts. I assume the shortening to "Ocean Club" may be an issue of advertising and/or copyright.

[prinmy]

I would welcome a three-hour-plus version of the film, because I think the main flaw is that a lot doesn't have time to develop: the pre-credits makes very little sense and is never explained - just a few more seconds would make it gel - and of course Vesper and Bond's love for each other happens very fast. If they added some of this stuff back in to a longer cut, we could be looking at the best Bond film ever made.

You know, as extravagant as that last sentence is, I think you could be right.

Say, does anyone have any idea if Sony/MGM listens to fan response? I was considering the amount of energy, passion (and bile) spent on something like CraigNotBond, and wondering if anyone here is interested in starting some kind of petition to request that Casino Royale get the Extended Edition treatment, particularly in light of it being on track to becoming one of the highest grossing Bond films of all time( est. $500 million worldwide). Something with seamless branching, so as to satisfy both camps..those who appreciate the theatrical cut, and others who would like to see more.

Edited by prinmy, 18 December 2006 - 09:25 PM.

[yuta_rule]

I would welcome a three-hour-plus version of the film, because I think the main flaw is that a lot doesn't have time to develop: the pre-credits makes very little sense and is never explained - just a few more seconds would make it gel - and of course Vesper and Bond's love for each other happens very fast. If they added some of this stuff back in to a longer cut, we could be looking at the best Bond film ever made.

You know, as extravagant as that last sentence is, I think you could be right.

Say, does anyone have any idea if Sony/MGM listens to fan response? I was considering the amount of energy, passion (and bile) spent on something like CraigNotBond, and wondering if anyone here is interested in starting some kind of petition to request that Casino Royale get the Extended Edition treatment, particularly in light of it being on track to becoming one of the highest grossing Bond films of all time( est. $500 million worldwide). Something with seamless branching, so as to satisfy both camps..those who appreciate the theatrical cut, and others who would like to see more.

yes! you've got my vote on the petition thing!

[Qwerty]

Welcome to the CBn Forums, yuta rule.

[dinovelvet]

Just noticed something, on my third viewing of CR. In the recovering-at-the-hospital scenes, there's an odd transition where it shows a shot of trees and rain, and then Bond & Vesper coming inside out of the rain and jumping on the bed, etc. Vesper is wearing a blue/floral dress that isn't seen at any other time, was there a scene before this one where Bond and Vesper were outside and it started to rain?

[marktmurphy]

So, the full list of stuff we know was filmed and is missing is so far:


Bond and Vesper driving the Aston through the countryside with Bond noticing Vesper checking her out (as seen filming on Fifth Gear- lovely helicopter shots of the Aston driving along)

Bond and Vesper's naked swim

The torn ace

Bond falling down the steps of the casino after being drugged

The tanker driving through a plane's fuselage during the chase

The exterior of the cricket club in Pakistan and the beginning of the fight, including the two men losing their guns

Bond's arrival on a stretcher at the hospital

Valenka's swim (underwater stuff was filmed)

When Bond and Vesper are in bed in Venice, she snaps a picture of him before leaving. Later, when Bond is on the phone with M, he's looking at the pictures on the laptop and flings it into the water, where it shorts out. This footage was in the Sony promo.

Bond and Vesper disembarking the train at the station in Montenegro (including a rather funny exchange about a secret agent's tax return)

The scene where Bond meets and replaces the poker player Bliss on the train (actor Con O'Neil was cast in this part so presuambly the scene was cut)

The shot of Craig's face in close up, while sparks from bullet ricochets go off in the background as seen in the slo-mo bit of the trailer

The shot of Dryden walking across the lobby from the trailer isn't in the film

[DamnCoffee]

There was a great line that was in the script but cut from the balcony scene:

When Bond grabs Vespers arm she says "My father had that same winning look in his eye, right up untill the day he put a gun in his own mouth and took my mother with him, now get your hand of my arm" (or something along those lines), anyway i thought it was a great line and expalins how Vesper is an Oprhan.

[marktmurphy]

Ooh- interesting; didn't spot that one. Does seem a bit melodramatic, though.

[Harmsway]

Ooh- interesting; didn't spot that one. Does seem a bit melodramatic, though.

Yeah. And furthermore, it removes the ambiguity of the moment, giving her motivation actual distrust of Bond's abilities. In the film, the motive for that moment becomes Vesper working for LeChiffre, not a lack of faith in Bond's abilities (there's that conflict there, if you look in her eyes).

I prefer the latter.

[Vesperlover]

Can anyone tell me, im in australia here and the DVD has yet to be released here, but did any of the deleted scenes that were mentioned in this thread, did they get onto the DVD.

Where there any deleted scenes on the DVD?

[Vauxhall]

Sadly not on this edition on the DVD. They're probably saving them for the next lot of DVD releases.

[Vesperlover]

Sadly not on this edition on the DVD. They're probably saving them for the next lot of DVD releases.

Well that sucks, thanks a bunch for informing me.

[sorking]

Having now read through the script, I have to say there's not much that got cut that I'd want to see re-instated. I'd like to see the material - Craig certainly finds the very best way to put across the lines, to layer in subtext - but I can't say there are many removals that weren't for the better.

It's not as MUCH stuff as I expected, either. Maybe ten minutes all-in. It's interesting to read how keen people are to see dialogue - like that ill-judged "telling everyone your name/secret agent" line, which would have been derided in the Brosnan era - added into a cut of the film. But then, I wanna see it too...just not as 'canon'.

What surprised me, actually, was a scene I EXPECTED to have been cut that it turns out was never in the shooting script - the join between Bond's leaving Solange and being in a cab in Miami. That jump in travel seemed to confuse some audiences.

[JimmyBond]

What surprised me, actually, was a scene I EXPECTED to have been cut that it turns out was never in the shooting script - the join between Bond's leaving Solange and being in a cab in Miami. That jump in travel seemed to confuse some audiences.

Reading that for the first time confused me a bit, I thought "Wait a second, how did he get into a cab?" I reread it a few times before figuring out it was supposed to be a transitional cut. I think if I hadnt read the script though, I would have understood what was happening, considering one minute Bond's in the Bahamas and the next he's in Florida.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

So he left the DB5 in Bahamas ???

[Blofeld's Cat]

So he left the DB5 in Bahamas ???

Probably where it crashed.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

We should se a re-edited version of GOLDFINGER with Q saying "You will use this Aston Martin DB5, with modifications... recovered from Bahamas... to put a rotating number plate, we threw out the 56526 one and we put the BMT 216A one"

[DamnCoffee]

So he left the DB5 in Bahamas ???

Probably, but it would be cool if he used the DB5 to escape from Whites villa in the Bond 22 PTS.

Oh, and by the way, i think i've found the part where the second Pistol Whip (Which was in the trailers but, was cut out of the feature) comes in. If you look at these shots closely Bond raises his gun and is about to turn on the guard to hit him, i have a feeling this is where the pistol whip comes in, but i'm not sure?

Shot before Pistol Whip 1
Shot before Pistol Whip 2

and if you're memorys are failing you...
The Cut Pistol Whip

thoughts?

[Gri007]

I've always wondered what happend to that 'cut' Pistol Whip Mharkin. Nice clips. I really do hope that we get Casino Royale uncut. May come out when B22 comes out on DVD.

[JB007M]

Sorry for bringing back an old topic, but where can the footage of Bond throwing the laptop in the water be found? Which promo?  

[Orion]

It was in a Sony product ad which gleefully showed off all Sony products being used in the film.

Though interestingly many of these cut scenes are on the blu-ray, fully graded and everything (it uses music from other scenes but still)

 

all featured should have been left in, as they're all quite good, but i guess they were removed to keep pacing.

[Moneyofpropre]

Sorry for bringing back an old topic, but where can the footage of Bond throwing the laptop in the water be found? Which promo?  

 

Try here : http://www.commander...scenes-coupees/

[marktmurphy]

 

Sorry for bringing back an old topic, but where can the footage of Bond throwing the laptop in the water be found? Which promo?  

 

Try here : http://www.commander...scenes-coupees/

 

 

 

Great link. Very pleasing to see they did the old Fleming favourite of Bond-using-his-watch-as-a-knuckle-duster.

[Orion]

 

 

Sorry for bringing back an old topic, but where can the footage of Bond throwing the laptop in the water be found? Which promo?  

 

Try here : http://www.commander...scenes-coupees/

 

 

 

Great link. Very pleasing to see they did the old Fleming favourite of Bond-using-his-watch-as-a-knuckle-duster.

 

So was I, it's one of those things that is now considered military self-defence 101, much like how to break out of zip ties (see SPECTRE were Craig does do it correctly) It's little, genuine, details like such as those that I really like about the Craig era, and indeed Fleming's novels.

[Dustin]

Well, it stands to reason police/military type zip ties are manufactured to withstand maneuvres as commonly known for escaping from them. Would be a bit counter-productive if we sent these guys into action with useless equipment.

As for this watch-as-knuckle-duster thingy...I wonder what exactly is the use of a knuckle duster that doesn't actually protect the knuckles? Because all a watch across your knuckles will achieve is putting a massive steel object right on top of them. And on impact you are going to feel it. I somehow struggle to see how that is helpful...

[Orion]

Very basic physics

 

 

 

 

 

As is the watch detail;
 

The watch takes the impact rather than you fist, much like the knuckle duster does. The watch WILL break, going back to how the zip tie breaking maneuver works, with the force meeting at the weakest area, but is meant in case of emergency, where you might consider the cost of your watch an even trade off.

​Do bear in mind any law enforcement would actually use straight bar hand cuffs - as in a pair where the both cuffs are solidly connected by a single lock that works both, rather than the old fashioned ones connected by a chain which allowed for too much movement that allowed the wearer to unlock the cuffs themselves if they got hold of the key, or with something firm yet flexible (personal experience says the refill of a ball point pen works perfectly). Actual law enforcement wouldn't use zip ties for EXACTLY the reason pictured above - the laws of physics will out, no matter how tough you made the tie, the design is intended for inanimate objects to be temporarily held in place, nit for people. Zip ties are used by criminals for the simple reason that the best form of hand cuff (the straight bar) are only available to those in law enforcement, and the maneuver is specialized knowledge, one I'm sure that many who use them as handcuffs wouldn't know - but some in law enforcement (like say a Naval commander who now kills people for the British government) would. These techniques are taught to military personnel as "in case of emergency" skills when they don't have any proper equipment to hand, indeed the drawings I added are from a book written by a retired navy seal who actually mentions the book of OHMSS in regards to the watch detail. The articles are also posted www.artofmanliness.com, where the illustrator does other FWI diagrams such as the ones above, but for non-military based things, how best to shave is one for example

[Dustin]

Yes, I've also seen the cute YouTube video, perfectly fine with cable binders that are intended for...binding cables. However, you will find out that's not the variety you are likely going to be restrained with by your friendly law enforcement officer. At least one hopes so in the interest of said officer.

So the watch takes the impact. And what exactly does it do then, after it's taken that impact? Wouldn't very basic physics, as you put it, suggest it relays the force of that impact? To the only surface available, the knuckles behind it? This is a really nice drawing that helps me understand the basic concept. But it doesn't actually do anything to protect the knuckles, does it?

I remain guardedly sceptical about the idea.

[Orion]

Oh definitely - Law enforcement would use actual hand cuffs, which you'd need to be superhuman to break like that, I mean, yes you could pick them if you knew what you where doing, but the Law Enforcement officer would need to be seriously bad at their job to not notice you doing that. Cable ties are invariably used like this for criminal means, by people who don't have access to handcuffs. Then in the case of the watch, the force meets at the weakest point (the watch itself), causes it to break rather than travel on, so the watch takes the damage rather than your knuckle. I mean its not something id recommend if you want to keep your watch, as the watch does have to break to protect your knuckles, because otherwise you're right, you just do damage to your knuckle.

​Just thinking now, I suppose it would also depend on the type of watch you had for the maneuver to work - Id be surprised if it worked with any of film Bond's Omegas, they're diving watches so are built to withstand quite high water pressure - probably unlikely to break with a punch, so the force would go to the next weakest thing, which in a circumstance you needed to improvise a knuckle duster, would probably be your own fist.

[Orion]

Looked it up - because you really got me thinking, and the watch thing does assume traditional analogue face and Nato strap as would've been the most common form when this was first taught in WW2 - So Craig's SPECTRE watch would theoraetcially work, but the fanicer metal braclet on the others probably wouldnt as the face needs to be tight against your knuckle (for the reason the Dustin mentioned, with the face hitting your own knuckles) which you couldnt do with any of Bond's watches post 98, save the one from SPECTRE