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[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

No Smoking For Daniel Craig In Casino Royale

_{Craig speaks to Parade on the newest Bond film}

[JCRendle]

So they cut out the Cigar scene that we saw in the photo - as if a kid is going to go out buying cigars.

[DamnCoffee]

I dont see why Bond shouldn't smoke, the producers say its a bad Example for Childen - yeah whatever, if they were that bothered about setting a good example Bond Wouldn't be Killing people and having Sex

[Johnboy007]

Not a loss at all. If we're going to be picky about it, he never smoked in cigars in Felmmmming's Bond.

Those bastards.

[DOUBLE-O-JOE]

I dont see why Bond shouldn't smoke, the producers say its a bad Example for Childen - yeah whatever, if they were that bothered about setting a good example Bond Wouldn't be Killing people and having Sex

On the contrary, smoking is bad for your health but killing people & having sex are not.

[Nimsworth]

It's not being hypocritical at all by EON but more of covering their . At the rate that parents groups and whatever blame everything on things I doubt EON would like to share the bench with things like rock music, Violent Video Games, Pokemon, the Metric system or anything else that gets the blame for kids smoking/killing/drinking/having sex.

Shame really but maybe they'll complain about how Casino Royale encourages kids to purchase a Sony Blu-Ray VAIO AR laptop since Smoking is out of Casino Royale.

[Daniel Craig the cool 007]

Smoking influences teens, we all know that and i've got my opinion on the subject since it is far from being an easy decision to take on the producers to have Bond not smoke, trust me!Barbarra more than Michael Wilson, is really passinate about the Bond character and i know if it was not for a good reason(smoking on screen and the way that it will be perceived by teens), Miss Broccoli would have opted for that option as not letting 007 smoke, steals a trait of his characteristics which makes 007 who is!Maybe the scene where Daniel is smoking the cigar will nd up in the deleted scene of the DVD.But i understand both sides:the producers and the audience who wants 007 to smoke....Its a very incendiary topic..

[Scottlee]

It's absolutely lunacy to cut the smoking scenes from the film. All that violence, killing, sex, it's all good. But heaven forbid Bond should spark up a fag.

Idiots.

[RevolveR]

The smoking scene would add flavor to the film that will be lost without it. That said, its not that big of a deal if you look a the big picture.

The funny thing is, Pierce smoked in the last one so its not like they haven't had Bond smoking since the 70's or something....

[Matt_13]

Just got Parade with the Sunday paper, very cool article, love that bit on how he has to keep "putting it in". Too funny. Very cool pic of him as well in there, but on the smoking, every single argument he makes is right on the money, on how its ok to show kids guys getting killed but that its bad to show him lighting a cuban. Its just sad.

[AgentZ]

But we have to protect the kids! I'm so sick of that excuse. If parents don't want their kids to see it, don't let them go to the movie. Or out in public at all, for that matter, because guess what: people smoke in real life every day out there!

[David Schofield]

As at matter of interest, how many of us actually think cigar smoking is the sort of thing James Bond would actually do? Did Brozza really give of the James Bond image lighting up in DAD, or Rog in LALD and MWTGG?

There's just something about cigar smoking with isn't Bond, IMO.

[secret_007]

This director thinks that if bond doesnt smoke then other people wont smoke. You know whats funny? Alot of films have smoking.

[Dr. Noah]

He's under 6'. He's now blonde. He doesn't smoke. I mean, what's next?

Citical praise? Someone who can actually act? Someone who isn't over 50 and dying his hair?

[Vauxhall]

I dont see why Bond shouldn't smoke, the producers say its a bad Example for Childen - yeah whatever, if they were that bothered about setting a good example Bond Wouldn't be Killing people and having Sex

On the contrary, smoking is bad for your health but killing people & having sex are not.

Well killing people might not be bad for your own health, but it's certainly bad for someone elses.

[Dr. Noah]

I'm really mad that Bond no longer wears polka-dotted blue bow ties.

[Dr. Noah]

They're going for realism here, so does it make much sense that a man who could die at any moment in the line of duty from a bomb or a gunshot, would really give a spit about the dangers of cigarette smoking, especially when the life expectancy of a 00 is rather short?

Yeah, one thing you notice about SAS, ardent skiers, scuba-divers and people chasing around free-running terrorists is how much they smoke.

[Jim]

But cigarettes are so expensive.

Simulated sex and/or playing dead (can be much the same thing) one can get for free.

As anyone who's ever been married can tell you.

One can't blow the budget on buying loads of packs of cigarettes for reshoots. Also, I suspect that they are a continuity nightmare.

Do people really go to James Bond films waiting for him to light up?

Yes, there may have been a notion that they return to the character what Fleming done writted, but one might as well complain about the absence of casual racism or having him whacked off his man-chebs on Benzedrine.

[Captain Grimes]

Smoking, sex, booze, Benzedrine: these are important parts of the Bond character, because they're the things he uses to bring pleasure into his otherwise painful life.

Think about it. The man has no family. He has a relatively low-paying job that doesn't allow him a social life, and that requires him to kill people on a regular basis. Where else is he going to turn for solace? His housekeeper?

I think the movies have made a mistake in downplaying Bond's vices, because those vices tell more about his state of mind than any number of soul-bearing, peeling-back-the-layers soliloquies. They tell us that he's a man who's constantly being put into impossible moral and social situations, and who requires a little artificially-induced relief now and then.

So, as to this piece of news, expected though it was: boo.

[Dr. Noah]

Smoking, sex, booze, Benzedrine: these are important parts of the Bond character, because they're the things he uses to bring pleasure into his otherwise painful life.

Think about it. The man has no family. He has a relatively low-paying job that doesn't allow him a social life, and that requires him to kill people on a regular basis. Where else is he going to turn for solace? His housekeeper?

I think the movies have made a mistake in downplaying Bond's vices, because those vices tell more about his state of mind than any number of soul-bearing, peeling-back-the-layers soliloquies. They tell us that he's a man who's constantly being put into impossible moral and social situations, and who requires a little artificially-induced relief now and then.

So, as to this piece of news, expected though it was: boo.

They took him into MI-6 despite heavy drinking, smoking and taking Benzedrine???

[Qwerty]

No big deal in my opinion. I really wouldn't have minded either way when it comes to this.

[Dr. Noah]

I could see EON doing this stuff if it's later in Bond's career and he's trying to deal with all of the loss and uncertainty in his life... but on his first missions? I think drinking and sex are enough for the first six months or so...

[Von Hammerstein]

Oh yes let's make Bond grittier, edgier, more dangerous, lets have him kill people in nasty ways with real consequences, lets have a scene in which he gets his testicles beaten. But for God's Sake don't let anyone see him smoking. I mean, heavens to betsy, what will the children think???

[Dr. Noah]

Oh yes let's make Bond grittier, edgier, more dangerous, lets have him kill people in nasty ways with real consequences, lets have a scene in which he gets his testicles beaten. But for God's Sake don't let anyone see him smoking. I mean, heavens to betsy, what will the children think???

They would probably think, "This is boring. When is this guy going to quit smoking and popping pills and start chasing bad guys again???"

[Kilroy6644]

I think that if they hadn't announced it, nobody would have noticed. Now that they have, I think it's stupid. Of all the problems in the world, smoking is the least of them, and to promote the fact that Bond doesn't smoke in CR is idiotic. On a side note, I think the notion that on-screen smoking will influence children is overstated. I grew up watching Bond with two smoking parents, and I've never tried it. As far as I can remember, the only anti-smoking messages I got were in school, and children still get those same messages. If they take up smoking, it's not because of James Bond. Let him smoke.

[Dr. Noah]

I mean, I know we're all hard-boiled men of the world here, but when you have a good actor and an Oscar-winning writer there are different ways to convey stress, anxiety, guilt, and a sense of impending doom than popping Benzedrene.

Let's just have him coke up or do crack!

I mean, in the 50-some years since Fleming wrote about it, they've learned things about Benzedrene -- and since 007 doesn't have narcolepsy, I think the MI-6 doctor would prescribe something else. (Although I doubt he'd go for the crack, either.)

In regard to smoking, it'd just be an affectation. I'd have trouble buying a guy chasing a Free Runner for an hour and a half while smoking three packs a day.

[Dr. Noah]

People have said the same thing about including Moneypenny, Q, the gadgets, the locales, Bond's looks, his height, his hair color, etc....at what point do all these "little things" finally add up to the point where the character no longer resembles Bond, but instead some bastardization that no one really cares about?

So if you don't care, quit posting, then.


Personally I'm boycotting this film until Bond wears a blue polkadotted bow tie on a short sleeve dress shirt, can't catch his breath after 20 slow pushups, and calls minorites inferior. BRING BACK EVERYTHING OR NOTHING!!!

[Loomis]

If smoking is such a vital part of the character Fleming wrote about, then he's been represented accurately onscreen once and once only, in ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE. Connery and Dalton may wield the odd cigarette once in a blue moon (taking curiously few puffs), but Lazenby's Bond is the only one who appears to be a fully-fledged, dyed-in-the-wool "proper" smoker.

And, personally, I deeply dislike the idea that Lazenby was the only real James Bond.

[Santa]

Personally, I deeply dislike the idea of waking up next to a James Bond with fag breath.

[Bondian]

In the old days, the cigarette was almost presented as a kind of phallic symbol. Most actresses like Bette Davis could say a word without puffing on a ciggy. Now of course cigarette smoking is looked upon very harshly as a killer. Not just to the person who's smoking, but other people in the same room. (I know you know this. Just trying to make it serious, so you laugh more at the punch line ).

So. The cigarette in Casino Royale has been replaced by the leading actor having his gonads fiddled with. Hence, no phallic symbol for him, just a high pitched voice and a box of Kleenex.