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#61 User is offline   Nicolas Suszczyk 

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 02:53 PM

What about the menus?

You have to "activate" the navigation sitem as in the R1 1999 DVDs ?

The Extras are subtitled in spanish?

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 07:32 PM

View Postmharkin, on 22 July 2006 - 10:44, said:

What extra disc with the attache case - its the first i've heard of it


well it was a dutch retailindustry magazine called dvdbizz
unfortunately i don't have the copy at home but it is at work (i work in a dvd shop)
and will not return to work (vacation as of today) untill the 14th of August sorry.
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Posted 22 July 2006 - 11:20 PM

MOONRAKER is by far the most impressive of the UEs I've seen so far. Excellent sound, and picture quality that is phenomenal, just phenomenal. The Venice scenes really come to life, and the richness of colour and wealth of image detail when the action shifts to Rio.... astounding. With this film, the quality leap from SE to UE is akin to that from VHS to DVD.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 02:10 AM

View PostLoomis, on 22 July 2006 - 23:20, said:

MOONRAKER is by far the most impressive of the UEs I've seen so far. Excellent sound, and picture quality that is phenomenal, just phenomenal. The Venice scenes really come to life, and the richness of colour and wealth of image detail when the action shifts to Rio.... astounding. With this film, the quality leap from SE to UE is akin to that from VHS to DVD.

This is good news because I thought the SE version, at least the Region 1, was lacking, particularly the opening shot out of the gunbarrel of the Moonraker on the back of the plane in flight. I could never quite make out much detail.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 06:52 AM

Ah, well, that bit's still a little lacking, but, believe me, you'll notice plenty of huge improvements over the SE when you watch the UE.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 07:50 AM

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We're jealous in the US. WTF we have to wait until Nov???? :D


Agreed! :tup:

Ditto. This is unfair! :D


Agreed as well.

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 08:29 PM

Well, I am up to 'Licence to Kill'. I got to say that the best results of restoration lie within the Connery bonds. The results for the Moore ones are better colour but not much else.

Producing these films at 4000 pixels instead of the usual 540 (or whatever it is) was a great choice and should be done on all films. Not only have I seen these films the best I have so far, they are the best films I've seen on DVD on the format.

The sound on the Connery ones is largely mono like and the feel is retained on all of them (so far up to LTK anyway which is where I'm at).

The Moore bonds sound better but not outstanding. LTK and TLD rocks!!

I think DTS and 5.1 is best for films that are made around the mid 80's onward.

It does next to nothing for 1960's era.

Btw, the Uncut LTK isn't as great as I have anticipated, at least so far. I'm still watching it and up to the casino where Bond meets with Sanchez. Sure, you see Leiter's stump when he was being eaten by the shark but it's a flash shot. Blink and you miss and you see it from quite a distance.

Still, uncut is better than cut.

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:30 PM

View PostLoomis, on 23 July 2006 - 00:20, said:

MOONRAKER is by far the most impressive of the UEs I've seen so far. Excellent sound, and picture quality that is phenomenal, just phenomenal. The Venice scenes really come to life, and the richness of colour and wealth of image detail when the action shifts to Rio.... astounding. With this film, the quality leap from SE to UE is akin to that from VHS to DVD.


From silver linings to clouds....

Disappointed with the picture on A VIEW TO A KILL. Too dark, doesn't seem to have been formatted well for 16x9 TVs (with the result that the widescreen frame seems both curiously flat and stretched, with people's heads elongated the way you usually get with pan-and-scan), and the colours (as I'm sure stamper would agree) seem oddly greenish. Detail unimpressive, and overall not very good to look at at all. Definitely inferior to the SE. This and YOLT are the only UEs with image quality that I find a real letdown, although this area seems so subjective (and, probably, television quality-dependent) that perhaps that doesn't mean a whole lot. Good sound, though.
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Posted 02 August 2006 - 03:14 AM

ive just ordered from russia with love, on her majesty's secret service, and thunderball. i read a review that said that the lipsyncing on thunderball is rather bad. has anybody experienced this?
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Posted 03 August 2006 - 01:52 PM

View PostTheCheat, on 2 August 2006 - 04:14, said:

i read a review that said that the lipsyncing on thunderball is rather bad. has anybody experienced this?


You do notice it in places, but I doubt that there was much that the people behind the UEs could have done about it. I found the transfer generally very good, although nothing staggering, and there were a few places in which the colour seemed bizarrely off and washed-out, to the point where I was thinking: Is this really the UE, or did I just put the SE in my player by mistake? (Nice, rich colours and detail elsewhere, though.)

Still, a good disc on the whole, and doubtless the best version of THUNDERBALL ever made available on home video (he writes assumingly). Made me appreciate the film (never one of my favourites) a lot more, so the UE team must have done something right.

One other thing: in the SE, during Bond's infiltration of Palmyra, there's a bit in which he emerges from a hatch and the door bangs down, implausibly making no sound - they've added a sound effect for the UE.
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Posted 03 August 2006 - 03:23 PM

I bought the spy who loved me last night, and the title music [nobody does it better]was really amazing blasting out in dts sound. I thought the opening PTS where bond is skiing were apsolutely crystal clear pictures,and really do give that 'new crisp'feel to the film.However, there were parts [like in the club where he meets max calba] that i thought the picture had'nt improved much at all,and felt a little bit like i had a dreaded VHS on!
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Posted 03 August 2006 - 05:09 PM

Only bought LTK so far and it's much better than the SE.
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Posted 04 August 2006 - 06:19 PM

Just made my first upgrade, Dr No. Can't wait to give it a whirl later on. There seems to be 3 new featurettes, 'guns', 'remastering process', and something called 'premiere'. Sounds like a decent enough bunch of additions. Any quick comments on how good these three are?
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Posted 07 August 2006 - 04:54 PM

View PostScottlee, on 4 August 2006 - 19:19, said:

Just made my first upgrade, Dr No. Can't wait to give it a whirl later on. There seems to be 3 new featurettes, 'guns', 'remastering process', and something called 'premiere'. Sounds like a decent enough bunch of additions. Any quick comments on how good these three are?


You posted the question a while ago but I found all three to be interesting, especially the remastering and premiere ones - the gun one will either strike you funny if you have a dark sense of humour or scare you a bit, it's vintage footage of a gun "enthusiast" - interesting but rather worrying in it's way :P

If anyone has the Ultimate Edition of Goldfinger would they mind having a look at this thread here as I am interested to know if an error I spotted is peculiar to my copy or a general fault - many thanks :)
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Posted 07 August 2006 - 05:19 PM

I picked up TND: UNCUT today and i must say that the deleted scenes are not as good as i expected them to be the only ones i liked was: Gupter throwing a card & when Stamper killed the security guard

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 05:55 PM

View PostKoskov, on 7 August 2006 - 17:54, said:

View PostScottlee, on 4 August 2006 - 19:19, said:

Just made my first upgrade, Dr No. Can't wait to give it a whirl later on. There seems to be 3 new featurettes, 'guns', 'remastering process', and something called 'premiere'. Sounds like a decent enough bunch of additions. Any quick comments on how good these three are?


You posted the question a while ago but I found all three to be interesting, especially the remastering and premiere ones - the gun one will either strike you funny if you have a dark sense of humour or scare you a bit, it's vintage footage of a gun "enthusiast" - interesting but rather worrying in it's way :)


Thanks for that. I only saw the features in question last night, funnily enough. Although mostly quite short I thought they were very interesting, even the restoration one. I usually have no interest in learning about technical things, but that was good. The Baretta/Walther/Magnum comparison in the "guns" doco was very funny.

If I had one misgiving, I thought the quick cutting in "Premieres" was annoying after around about YOLT. Just when you wanted the camera to hold steady on some of the celebs visiting any particular premiere, it would cut with lightening speed to the next film's premiere, and so on.
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Posted 07 August 2006 - 11:39 PM

View PostScottlee, on 7 August 2006 - 18:55, said:

If I had one misgiving, I thought the quick cutting in "Premieres" was annoying after around about YOLT. Just when you wanted the camera to hold steady on some of the celebs visiting any particular premiere, it would cut with lightening speed to the next film's premiere, and so on.


I agree. That is quite common, I think we are supposed to use the pause or slowmo features on our dvd players to look at all the shots. . . I did anyway :)
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Posted 08 August 2006 - 12:06 AM

Just watched the Ultimate Edition Thunderball tonight and would like to dispel the rumours about synch issues. I played this on a 5:1 system (the same one I played the old Special Edition on) and found it to be fine. As with all early Bond, Thunderball has most actors dubbed either by themselves or others for a variety of different reasons. Sometimes the lips are speaking dialogue which is then changed later in the dub. Thus, I would never pick an early Bond as an example of perfect lip-synch.

The comments here http://www.dvdtimes....contentid=62153

Unfortunately, good as Thunderball sounds, it comes to nothing when the lip-synch is as terrible as it is here. If you have a delay function on your home theatre system, you will, as I was, spend the two hours of the film fiddling with its setting to try to bring the sound and picture together but, frankly, don't waste your time. Just when you think you have it, the scene changes and the dialogue is no longer synchronised to the picture on the screen, with two of the scenes with Luciana Paluzzi being amongst the worst examples, the first when she is in bed with Angelo Palazzi and the second when she is with Bond. Comparing this DVD to the MGM Special Edition, which had a DD5.1 remixed audio track that exhibited none of these problems, the fault lies with this Ultimate Edition rather than with the original print. It's pushing it somewhat to say that Thunderball is an unwatchable mess on DVD but it's not far off.

Are certainly not true of my disc on the system I used. Either that reviewer was unlucky or the issue has been fixed.

2 Supplemental geeky Thunderball questions;

1. Am I misremembering the water going red after the henchman is thrown in the sharkpool and we see the rest of the henchmen walk away? It doesn't go red on this new edition. Did it only go red in a trailer or something?

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When Bond has passed her shoes and she gets out of the bath, I seem to recall her line being "You'll catch your death of cold, you will". Is that wrong? The new edition has the line without the "you will" at the end.

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 12:35 PM

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2 Supplemental geeky Thunderball questions;

1. Am I misremembering the water going red after the henchman is thrown in the sharkpool and we see the rest of the henchmen walk away? It doesn't go red on this new edition. Did it only go red in a trailer or something?

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When Bond has passed her shoes and she gets out of the bath, I seem to recall her line being "You'll catch your death of cold, you will". Is that wrong? The new edition has the line without the "you will" at the end.

Disclaimer - yes I know I need ot get out more :)


Ok, on watching the special features I think I'm misremembering the line in point 2.

Can anyone enlighten me about point 1 please?
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Posted 08 August 2006 - 07:20 PM

Just watched TND: Uncut and i've noticed something interesting:

A womans voice saying "3.. 2...1" has been added just when stamper is about to be killed i checked out my other versions and theres no sign any ideas?

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:07 PM

View PostKoskov, on 7 August 2006 - 20:06, said:



1. Am I misremembering the water going red after the henchman is thrown in the sharkpool and we see the rest of the henchmen walk away? It doesn't go red on this new edition. Did it only go red in a trailer or something?
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The water goes red on my Region 1 Special Edition dvd.

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 09:15 PM

View PostBon-san, on 8 August 2006 - 21:07, said:

View PostKoskov, on 7 August 2006 - 20:06, said:



1. Am I misremembering the water going red after the henchman is thrown in the sharkpool and we see the rest of the henchmen walk away? It doesn't go red on this new edition. Did it only go red in a trailer or something?
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The water goes red on my Region 1 Special Edition dvd.


Thanks for that, on the Ultimate Edition it doesn't, the water just clears so you can see the henchmen walking away, no red. I wonder why this is?
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 04:48 AM

What are Sir Roger Moore's commentaries like???

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 11:54 PM

View PostKoskov, on 8 August 2006 - 01:06, said:

Just watched the Ultimate Edition Thunderball tonight and would like to dispel the rumours about synch issues. I played this on a 5:1 system (the same one I played the old Special Edition on) and found it to be fine. As with all early Bond, Thunderball has most actors dubbed either by themselves or others for a variety of different reasons. Sometimes the lips are speaking dialogue which is then changed later in the dub. Thus, I would never pick an early Bond as an example of perfect lip-synch.

The comments here http://www.dvdtimes....contentid=62153

Unfortunately, good as Thunderball sounds, it comes to nothing when the lip-synch is as terrible as it is here. If you have a delay function on your home theatre system, you will, as I was, spend the two hours of the film fiddling with its setting to try to bring the sound and picture together but, frankly, don't waste your time. Just when you think you have it, the scene changes and the dialogue is no longer synchronised to the picture on the screen, with two of the scenes with Luciana Paluzzi being amongst the worst examples, the first when she is in bed with Angelo Palazzi and the second when she is with Bond. Comparing this DVD to the MGM Special Edition, which had a DD5.1 remixed audio track that exhibited none of these problems, the fault lies with this Ultimate Edition rather than with the original print. It's pushing it somewhat to say that Thunderball is an unwatchable mess on DVD but it's not far off.

Are certainly not true of my disc on the system I used. Either that reviewer was unlucky or the issue has been fixed.


Similar comments have also been made - on the same site - about Diamonds are Forever. Having watched the Ultimate Edition this evening, pretty much everything I said above about the UE of Thunderball applies to the UE of Diamonds. I watched Diamonds with a fellow fan, we have both seen the film countless times on tv, vhs and Special Edition dvd and we both agreed that the lip synch was just as it always is. As with Thunderball, Diamonds is not a perfect example of synch at the best of times as there is a great deal of dubbing. If anything, the Ultimate Edition's improved sound mix makes this more noticeable, but to say that this edition is less in synch than the Special Edition is just not an accurate reflection of what we watched this evening. We both agreed that this new edition is by far the best version of Diamonds that has been released for home viewing and as such I highly recommend it :)
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 12:13 AM

I bought the attache case and have watched quite a few so far. YOLT blew me away with the clarity of the picture, as did DN. Incredible. TB seems to have lost its colorfulness. OHMSS was great. LALD and GG look more colorful. SPY and MR are great. FYEO, OCT, AVTAK and TLD have a lot of red faces, and I think it may be down to the photography. Maybe the guys are cleaning up the prints to the point where make-up or lack of it was being hid before. For example, in LTK everyone looks more sunburned!! TND and DAD look a lot better, looking less digitised and filtered. For me, it improved TND as a film, and DAD too (although the second half is still as disappointing).

The RM commentaries are fun, but sometimes irritatingly off-topic. And it's interesting to find out that a lot of the casting in his films was simply getting his mates in! He seems to know everyone!!

All the docos are really good, it's great to have uncut editions too.

One thing - In GE, I seem to remember oo9 shooting the scientist more than once in the cinema version. Am I right? I have never seen it in any DVD release.

BTW. I heard some people saying DAD doesn't have any new special features, well it does! There is a cool doco on Graves' parachute jump, Peter Lamont's location scout and another one. Good stuff.

I prefer some of the old SE's for their picture, but overall the attache case was worth the 200 pounds/ 400 dollars!! The greatest DVD box set ever???

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 07:09 AM

View PostKoskov, on 11 August 2006 - 00:54, said:

View PostKoskov, on 8 August 2006 - 01:06, said:

Just watched the Ultimate Edition Thunderball tonight and would like to dispel the rumours about synch issues. I played this on a 5:1 system (the same one I played the old Special Edition on) and found it to be fine. As with all early Bond, Thunderball has most actors dubbed either by themselves or others for a variety of different reasons. Sometimes the lips are speaking dialogue which is then changed later in the dub. Thus, I would never pick an early Bond as an example of perfect lip-synch.

The comments here http://www.dvdtimes....contentid=62153

Unfortunately, good as Thunderball sounds, it comes to nothing when the lip-synch is as terrible as it is here. If you have a delay function on your home theatre system, you will, as I was, spend the two hours of the film fiddling with its setting to try to bring the sound and picture together but, frankly, don't waste your time. Just when you think you have it, the scene changes and the dialogue is no longer synchronised to the picture on the screen, with two of the scenes with Luciana Paluzzi being amongst the worst examples, the first when she is in bed with Angelo Palazzi and the second when she is with Bond. Comparing this DVD to the MGM Special Edition, which had a DD5.1 remixed audio track that exhibited none of these problems, the fault lies with this Ultimate Edition rather than with the original print. It's pushing it somewhat to say that Thunderball is an unwatchable mess on DVD but it's not far off.

Are certainly not true of my disc on the system I used. Either that reviewer was unlucky or the issue has been fixed.


Similar comments have also been made - on the same site - about Diamonds are Forever. Having watched the Ultimate Edition this evening, pretty much everything I said above about the UE of Thunderball applies to the UE of Diamonds. I watched Diamonds with a fellow fan, we have both seen the film countless times on tv, vhs and Special Edition dvd and we both agreed that the lip synch was just as it always is. As with Thunderball, Diamonds is not a perfect example of synch at the best of times as there is a great deal of dubbing. If anything, the Ultimate Edition's improved sound mix makes this more noticeable, but to say that this edition is less in synch than the Special Edition is just not an accurate reflection of what we watched this evening. We both agreed that this new edition is by far the best version of Diamonds that has been released for home viewing and as such I highly recommend it :)


I couldn't agree more. But I'd go further. I know there have been some bleatings on here about cropping issues (for those that haven't seen the DVDs, these really are so minor that you'd have to be particularly anal to be bothered by them), but these UE Bonds are superb.

As I've posted elsewhere, I was 6 months old when Dr. No was released. Because of re-releases during my childhood, I've been lucky enough to see all the movies on the big screen. I've also seen them on TV, on VHS and on SE DVD. I've seen them all so many times that, yes, when it comes to lesser entries like Thunderball, TMWTGG and AVTAK my palate had become a little dulled. These UE DVDs have changed that. In some cases, it was like I was seeing them again for the first time. Take it from a veteran Bond watcher; these movies have never looked or sounded better. The whole exercise has been a triumph.
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 07:30 AM

Water not going red in TB is probably because they messed with the colors corrections, obviously the guy who did this took off all the colors, and twisted them on this shot so that eventually the red was gone. You can do it with HD color correcting.

The worst reframing is Goldeneye, the rest you can live up with, you miss about 25% of the original, SE image + Goldeneye is all dark and gray, I cannot understand how come.
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 12:42 PM

yeah the GE transfer was pretty bad

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 04:14 PM

Personally, i have 9 dvd's and the rest on VHS. So from the less critical people I decided i'm buying all the UE's Except GE. It Looks Great already so i'm not going to worry about it. YOLT, TB, AVTAK, OP are on my tapes, so no matter what i'll see major improvement. Sad about GE though.
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 07:28 PM

I'm bummed I sold my copy of GE SE, I have to buy it again.
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