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[Tarl_Cabot]

Bad Hair hurt LTK was an a reason for downgrading Dalton's Bond in another thread so I decided to start a discussion about: Hair. Bad Hair.

Ok, it doesn't look very flattering, I agree...but, I always intrepreted the slick look Dalton wore in the casino(and *only* the casino) as Bond trying to look sleazy and fit in convincingly with the rogues gallery of international assassins(80's bad guys always have slicked back hair) ...the story was inspired by Yojimbo and so Bond was meeting Sanchez while pretending to be something he's not, like a Limey Boba Fett(geek intervention time)...so, why do so many fans rip Dalton and LTK for this?...his hair looks normal after the fail assassination attempt...so get over it will ya? It looks kinda lame(but that's the point) but does it really impact the film in any substantial way? As bad as that Three's Company broad did? sheesh!

[Seannery]

That's hilarious.........the Dracula look.

[doublenoughtspy]

But so much of the publicity centered around shots of him with the awful haircut.

Other CBn members and I joke about how the shot of Dalton & Lowell with the small pistol became so ubiquitous that they rivaled the famous FRWL #1 shot of Connery & the target pistol.

Eon has a bad habit of only letting out a few official images, and all coverage is based on those images.

I know someone who saw the publicity cuttings cork board at Eon's production offices for Goldeneye - they said it was so sad because all the articles had the same image of Brosnan.

While I understand that they don't want to give away certain scenes, etc - but give us more than 1 image to sell a movie!

[Turn]

I agree with Tarl Cabot. What's the big deal? This is one of those points that seem to get beat to death on certain films in the series like Moore looks too old in AVTAK or Connery is bored in YOLT.

So it's one of the less flattering Bond hairstyles in the series. The film had plenty more going for it IMO that I wasn't focused on the hairstyle. Yeah, I'll admit the sideburns were a bit off-putting in those pre Beverly Hills 90210 days of 1989, but it didn't kill it for me. Does knowing Connery is wearing a hairpiece in most of his films make that any bigger of a deal with people?

[Dalton's Wendy]

Now can anyone honestly say this hairstyle is sleazy?

http://img225.images...dalton1b5sq.png

I think DALTON looks incredibly gorgeous! And sophisticated! And . . . fits right in with the look of today.

[zencat]

I never understood the awful Dalton hair in LTK, especially after it looked so good in LTD. Weird.

[TheSaint]

I never understood the awful Dalton hair in LTK, especially after it looked so good in LTD. Weird.

I'll second that emotion!

[Double-Oh Agent]

While I'm not wild about the slicked back hair, I think the long sideburns are more of the problem. They are much more noticeable (and distracting) when his hair is slicked back. But regardless of how Timothy Dalton looks in this movie, Licence To Kill is my favorite Bond film.

[SecretAgentFan]

Hilarious thread! But let

[Dalton's Wendy]

While I'm not wild about the slicked back hair, I think the long sideburns are more of the problem. They are much more noticeable (and distracting) when his hair is slicked back. But regardless of how Timothy Dalton looks in this movie, Licence To Kill is my favorite Bond film.

Okay, here are two versions of DALTON:

Now you see the sideburns:

http://img468.images...1560x6002ki.jpg

Now you don't:

http://img461.images...inwhite23mr.jpg

We aim to please . . .

Either way, he is one of the handsomest men to have ever walked the Earth!

[Stephen Spotswood]

Actually I kind of liked the slick back look in those scenes. In TLD, Dalton almost looked like a moptop (yeah, yeah, yeah). Additionally, I think Dalton could play a good Count Dracula if given the chance. He's said in interviews that his accent in "The Beautician and the Beast," was Romanian, and it was a lot more intelligible than that Gary Oldman's awful version. Dalton even had a Stalin like look that kind of fit Stoker's novel.

Edited by Stephen Spotswood, 26 January 2006 - 08:02 PM.

[Lounge Lizard]

Hairstyles really are the thing here lately.

By the way, I can remember an obscure rumour from about ten years ago, when Dalton was supposed to play Sherlock Holmes in a Holmes vs. Dracula flick- opposite Phil Collins as Dr. Watson and Christopher Walken as the Count. Not much to do with hair, has everything to do with Dalton and Drac. Anybody else heard of this dubious goodie?

[Royal Dalton]

Yeah, it was going to be directed by Richard Franklin, but the financing collapsed.

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]I really don

[Tarl_Cabot]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='26 January 2006 - 14:36'][mra]I really don

[Stephen Spotswood]

The Count in the book had longish white hair, massive eyebrows, and a heavy mustache nearly covering his mouth. Bela Lugosi played the part a'la Rudolph Valentio of the living dead, with the slick black hair that Dalton had in LTK. Dalton's widow peak was bigger though. If Lugosi was still alive he would have peak envy.

http://gothlupin.tripod.com/vbela.html

Edited by Stephen Spotswood, 26 January 2006 - 09:08 PM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Hey that's a great site! Thanks! Wow, I had no idea he was born in Transylvania... just like Dracula!!

[Stephen Spotswood]

Actually Bela Lugosi was born in Lugos Hungary, which was a part of the Austrio-Hungarian empire at the time. He fought for the Austrio-Hungarian empire in WWI and sustained one or three bullets in his leg, not fifty miles from Vladislaus Dracula's Poenari fortress, in the ski-patrol. Different sources say a different number of bullets. Because they were inoperable that lead to him having to turn down the part of the Frankenstein monster, because the costume weighed 50 pounds. It also led to his morphine addiction.

After WWI a Count Michael Karolyi ruled briefly, then Bela Kuhn, with Lugosi supporting both, but primarily Kuhn. Then a Romanian named Mikhail Horthe (sp) invaded portions of Hungary, and Lugosi's home town became a part of Transylvania. Lugosi and Michael Curtiz both had to go on the run because they were on a death list. They both ended up in Hollywood. Curtiz is mostly known as the director of "Casablanca," which has been compared to Bond movies in other threads. I think his original spelling was Mihali Kertesc. Lugosi was originally Bela Ferenck Dasco Blasco, but my spelling are approximations.

http://www.leninimpo...iz.html#partone

Edited by Stephen Spotswood, 27 January 2006 - 03:56 PM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Fascinating...that sounds like fertile ground for a bio-pic.

And I believe it was me who identified "Casablanca" as a "spy genre film" in another thread.

[Lounge Lizard]

Yeah, it was going to be directed by Richard Franklin, but the financing collapsed.

Wow. Interesting stuff. I for one would have really loved to see a Holmes vs. Dracula flick with the Timster. As we all know, Dalton's view on Bond was relatively straight, but that never distracted him from embarking on campy* or otherwise 'irregular' ventures: Sextette, Flash Gordon, Brenda Starr, Looney Tunes, and this Holmes vs. Dracula thing.

* For lack of a better word.

[spynovelfan]

I know someone who saw the publicity cuttings cork board at Eon's production offices for Goldeneye - they said it was so sad because all the articles had the same image of Brosnan.

While I understand that they don't want to give away certain scenes, etc - but give us more than 1 image to sell a movie!

LOL! That's a perennial nightmare for editors and art directors. And if you look at cuttings files, you quite often see this problem. Even if there are several photos to choose from, newspapers and magazines often choose the same one or two. Most people won't notice, because they don't buy every publication. For M:I2, to take an example, nearly every magazine used the photo of Cruise hanging from the cliff and the one of him in the laboratory looking a bit green. Very few people used the images of the secondary characters with Cruise, the ones of the secondary characters alone, and so on. There was another one of him in the lab, shot from a slightly different angle. But it didn't look as striking, and nobody used it.

For TWINE, we received 18 slides. We used the one of Brosnan and Marceau; he's wearing a tux. It's a no-brainer: readers immediately know it's Bond, and you get the lead actress in there. too. It would have to be a major feature with several photos for the images of Goldie or Cleese or Dench to get in, but even outside of film magazines I don't remember anyone using the ones of Denise Richards, or even that great one of Marceau torturing Bond in the chair. I seem to remember that almost everyone went for Brosnan in the 3D glasses. That became the publicity image for the film, in effect. Hardly Eon's fault, though!

[Mr Malcolm]

Okay, here are two versions of DALTON:

Now you see the sideburns:

http://img468.images...1560x6002ki.jpg

Now you don't:

http://img461.images...inwhite23mr.jpg

We aim to please . . .

Either way, he is one of the handsomest men to have ever walked the Earth!

Chacun a son gout, Wendy!

I just think the hair looks a bit too...big and shiny, myself.

[Stephen Spotswood]

Most of my information on Lugosi came from Richard Bojarski's book, "The Films of Bela Lugosi." Actually there's more. Lugosi appeared in German silent movies where they noticed that he now seemed to have a pronounced glare in his eyes. He played a hypnotist in, "Sklaven Fremdes Willems." Lugosi even played Conrad Veidt's butler in, "Der Januskopf," a version of Dr Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. Veidt of course is mostly known for, "Das Kabinett des Dr. Caligari," and "Casablanca." Veidt was also in the run to play Count Dracula after Lon Chaney died, probably on the virtue of a movie he made for Universal studios entitled, "The Man Who Laughs," where he played a character with a hideous smile carved into his face. This was the basis of Robert Kahn's charecter the Joker, in his Batman comic books.

Lugosi tired of Germany and jumped a freighter bound for New York, and when the people working on the boat found him, he then worked his way across, only to be nearly thrown overboard by a mob, when they discovered his political leanings.

Here's a site with a picture from one of Lugosi's earliest Hungarian stage plays.

http://reality.sgiwe...ves/000594.html

I realize of course this has minimal connections to the James Bond series, but in some ways Lugosi lived the life of a Bond thriller. Of course one of his favorite things to do, even after he became an American citizen, was to drink Hungarian brandy, listen to Hungarian folk songs, and have a good cry.

To me it looks like Michael Youn is having a worst hair day than Timothy Dalton ever did.

Edited by Stephen Spotswood, 27 January 2006 - 03:15 PM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Most of my information on Lugosi came from Richard Bojarski's book, "The Films of Bela Lugosi."  Actually there's more.  Lugosi appeared in German silent movies where they noticed that he now seemed to have a pronounced glare in his eyes.  He played a hypnotist in, "Sklaven Fremdes Willems." Lugosi even played Conrad Veidt's butler in, "Der Januskopf," a version of Dr Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.  Veidt of course is mostly known for, "Das Kabinett des Dr. Caligari," and "Casablanca."  Veidt was also in the run to play Count Dracula after Lon Chaney died, probably on the virtue of a movie he made for Universal studios entitled, "The Man Who Laughs," where he played a character with a hideous smile carved into his face.  This was the basis of Robert Kahn's charecter the Joker, in his Batman comic books.

Lugosi tired of Germany and jumped a freighter bound for New York, and when the people working on the boat found him, he then worked his way across, only to be nearly thrown overboard by a mob, when they discovered his political leanings.

Here's a site with a picture from one of Lugosi's earliest Hungarian stage plays.

http://reality.sgiwe...ves/000594.html

I realize of course this has minimal connections to the James Bond series, but in some ways Lugosi lived the life of a Bond thriller.  Of course one of his favorite things to do, even after he became an American citizen, was to drink Hungarian brandy, listen to Hungarian folk songs, and have a good cry.

To me it looks like Michael Youn is having a worst hair day than Timothy Dalton ever did.

LOL but he aint James Bond! Anyway, I think someone in the 'wood should make a movie about Legosi...be hard to cast but what a story it is...

[Lady Rose]

Yeah, it was going to be directed by Richard Franklin, but the financing collapsed.

Wow. Interesting stuff. I for one would have really loved to see a Holmes vs. Dracula flick with the Timster. As we all know, Dalton's view on Bond was relatively straight, but that never distracted him from embarking on campy* or otherwise 'irregular' ventures: Sextette, Flash Gordon, Brenda Starr, Looney Tunes, and this Holmes vs. Dracula thing.

* For lack of a better word.

See, underneath that rough, dark , gritty exterior is a funny guy desperately trying to get out

[Stephen Spotswood]

Y'all seem to be forgetting Timothy Dalton's villainous turn as the world funniest Nazi sympathizer, Hollywood star in, "The Rocketeer." Maybe as Dalton ages he could be the newest version of Vincent Price, although he was an American who seemed vaguely British.

Edited by Stephen Spotswood, 27 January 2006 - 03:46 PM.

[hcmv007]

Bad Hair hurt LTK was an a reason for downgrading Dalton's Bond in another thread so I decided to start a discussion about: Hair. Bad Hair. 

Ok, it doesn't look very flattering, I agree...but, I always intrepreted the slick look Dalton wore in the casino(and *only* the casino) as Bond trying to look sleazy and fit in convincingly with the rogues gallery of international assassins(80's bad guys always have slicked back hair) ...the story was inspired by Yojimbo and so Bond was meeting Sanchez while pretending to be something he's not, like a Limey Boba Fett(geek intervention time)...so, why do so many fans rip Dalton and LTK for this?...his hair looks normal after the fail assassination attempt...so get over it will ya?  It looks kinda lame(but that's the point) but does it really impact the film in any substantial way? As bad as that Three's Company broad did? sheesh! 

Now that is something i never thought of Tarl. Excellent point. By the way, I have almost every Boba Fett figure from 1995 on-except that bratty version of Episode 2. The VOTC Fett is the best Star Wars figure ever. My geek intervention appointments are at 7:00 nightly (Central Time zone).

[Tarl_Cabot]

[quote name='hcmv007' date='27 January 2006 - 10:11'][quote name='Tarl_Cabot' date='25 January 2006 - 15:59']Bad Hair hurt LTK was an a reason for downgrading Dalton's Bond in another thread so I decided to start a discussion about: Hair. Bad Hair.

[Royal Dalton]

Y'all seem to be forgetting Timothy Dalton's villainous turn as the world funniest Nazi sympathizer, Hollywood star in, "The Rocketeer."  Maybe as Dalton ages he could be the newest version of Vincent Price, although he was an American who seemed vaguely British.

It's funny you should say that Stephen, because, as well as the aborted Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula film (which was based on the book by Loren Estleman, if anyone wants to check it out), another project that Timothy Dalton was linked to that fell through was a film based on Edgar Allan Poe's The Raven, which was supposed to have co-starred Isabella Rossellini, and been directed by George A. Romero.

Of course, Vincent Price also made a film version of The Raven (as did Lugosi). So, in a way, Dalton almost did become the new Price!

Actually, there was a rumour recently about a possible new Doctor Phibes film. Hmmm...

[Lady Rose]

[quote name='Royal Dalton' date='27 January 2006 - 17:08'][quote name='Stephen Spotswood' date='27 January 2006 - 15:46']Y'all seem to be forgetting Timothy Dalton's villainous turn as the world funniest Nazi sympathizer, Hollywood star in, "The Rocketeer."