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Should Craig do some weightlifting?


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#1 WC

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:07 PM

When Brosnan first took on the role of Bond, one of the criticisms aimed at him was that he was "Bond-lite". He was certainly the smallest Bond in terms of build, and seemed not as tough as some of the others. It was quite a come down from the former Mr Universe Sean Connery who could lift sofas to bash his opponents during a fight (YOLT).

Now Daniel Craig isn't the biggest built Bond. He is certainly the shortest. Should he try to put on some weight and build himself up so he'll look more menacing? Or will he have to end up with rather smaller villains to fight (like Robert Carlyle for Brosnan)?

Even Brosnan had to do some weights and was in better shape by TND. Will Craig do this, and do you think he should?

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:26 PM

I can`t remember any actor smaller than craig. They should consider MiniMi from Austin Powers as a potential villian.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:29 PM

Now Daniel Craig isn't the biggest built Bond. He is certainly the shortest. Should he try to put on some weight and build himself up so he'll look more menacing? Or will he have to end up with rather smaller villains to fight (like Robert Carlyle for Brosnan)?

Even Brosnan had to do some weights and was in better shape by TND. Will Craig do this, and do you think he should?

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Er... he's huge. He's practically a bodybuilder- if he got any bigger he'd look ridiculous.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:34 PM

Now Daniel Craig isn't the biggest built Bond. He is certainly the shortest. Should he try to put on some weight and build himself up so he'll look more menacing? Or will he have to end up with rather smaller villains to fight (like Robert Carlyle for Brosnan)?

Even Brosnan had to do some weights and was in better shape by TND. Will Craig do this, and do you think he should?

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Er... he's huge. He's practically a bodybuilder- if he got any bigger he'd look ridiculous.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:39 PM

According to amy pascal he is as tall as connery.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:43 PM

Your right he could stand to gain about 10 to 15 pounds in the shoulders and neck. While he is in great condition and very cut,a little weight gain would probably make him look a little younger in the face. I just saw him in Layercake last night and I feel alot better about him being Bond now,but everybody in the film was taller and bigger than him. Even daily trips to the buffet would do him so good.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 06:46 PM

Actually, I like the fact that Craig is smaller and leaner than the other actors. Bond is described as weighing something like 76 kg and being 6' tall. Craig is 78 kg, so he's pretty close. I thought he looked great at the press conference. All he needs is a tan and more sleep.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:02 PM

Er... he's huge. He's practically a bodybuilder- if he got any bigger he'd look ridiculous.

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He's got some muscles, and is evidently no stranger to weights, but I don't think I'd describe him as "huge". He's not Connery. Or any of the others, even (exception: Moore, who looked as though he didn't even know what weighlifting was, but then, as always, I view Moore as a special case and a law unto himself when it comes to Bond, God bless him and all who sail in him :) ).

I think I'd describe Craig as "wiry", and that's probably how Bond should be if he were a real person. And a Bond actor doesn't need to look like The Rock. Still, I don't think Craig looks quite as physically imposing as a Bond actor should. He's getting there, though, and I wouldn't really care if he turned up on the CASINO ROYALE set looking as he does now, but it mightn't be a bad thing for him to bulk up a bit.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:06 PM

Simply check out the first Tomb Raider and the above cited Layer Cake and you'll see that Craig is the most "cut" of all the 007s, including former bodybuilder Connery. Unless Craig has dramatically lost his physique between these films and now, this thread is ridiculous.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:09 PM

[B][FONT=Times][SIZE=7][COLOR=blue]yes :)

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:10 PM

By big enough, do we mean 'heavy' or muscular?

Craig looks to be in damn fine shape. Perhaps not as large as Connery or Lazenby, but certainly better built -- one poster called him wiry. He certainly is that.

Perhaps another couple pounds might 'fill' him out, but the man sports great muscle tone -- Sean (nearly) looks soft next to him.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:19 PM

As Loomis suggested, physically imposing is the phrase. And Craig is definitely not.
He is not in a bad shape. He could do some weight lifting. Apart from helping his appearance, it also helps his movement. Connery was imposing because he knew how to move. I always compared the scene in TB where he tries to break into Palmyra and bends so that the guards won't see him, with Dalton in the beginning of TLD where he bends so that he isn't visible through the window. Connery was a "dancer".
Another thing that could be useful, as far as height is concerned, is the height of the rest of the actors. Pierce was tall, but in MI6 headquarters sequences with Cleese and Salmon towering over him, he just did not look that tall...

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:21 PM

Simply check out the first Tomb Raider and the above cited Layer Cake and you'll see that Craig is the most "cut" of all the 007s, including former bodybuilder Connery. Unless Craig has dramatically lost his physique between these films and now, this thread is ridiculous.

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I'm not interested in whether he's cut or not. Bruce Lee would be described as "cut", but he would hardly be described as very big built. Most of the time, Craig will be wearing a suit. You won't see the definition in his physique. What I want to see is that he has some mass that fills out the suit so that he looks physically imposing. As I said, I don't want him to have villains like Brosnan did, who had to be the size of Robert Carlyle, whom Brosnan barely looked like he could hold his own against. I want to see some of this Bond picking up sofas type of thing like Connery to bash in the enemy. Not Bond having trouble even lifting a stool up like Brosnan.

Broanan looked small-shouldered in Goldeneye. Craig doesn't look that big in his suit. He could potentially be described as Bond-lite as well. I'm hoping he'll remedy that.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:24 PM

Right as rain, marktmurphy.

Craig is very cut and muscular in a Licence to Kill --- not a Licence to Pump --- way.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:26 PM

By big enough, do we mean 'heavy' or muscular?

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Heavy. That Connery-throwing-sofas-around thing. I don't care how sharply-defined Craig's muscles may be - he looks (even in LAYER CAKE) as though any of the former Bonds with the exception of Moore (obviously) would be able to have him in a fight. He looks as though Clive Owen could take him down with one hand tied behind his back. They need to do for Craig whatever it was they did for Matt Damon in THE BOURNE SUPREMACY.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 08:20 PM

Connery & Dalton were 6'2", Moore & Brosnan were 6'1", Craig is 6'0"

There is not a massive difference between someone who is 6'1" and 6'. Certainly 1 inch will not give you any advantage in a fight. Technique, creativity and doing what the other guy won't or can't do will give you an edge, but not one inch of height, or a couple of pounds of muscle.

Interestingly, I can remember watching a documentary about the SAS embassy siege mentioning that when Margaret Thatcher visited to give her thanks in person, she remarked that she was taller than many of the SAS troopers she met.... you don't have to be tall to be tough!

Craig has a much better physique than Brosnan (who lacked muscle) IMHO.

Edited by NATO Sub, 15 October 2005 - 08:22 PM.


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Posted 15 October 2005 - 10:18 PM

This is the movies, NATO sub, remember? It doesn't matter whether you are strong, you have to look strong.
Anyway, he is fine, body-wise. If he put some weight, it wouldn't hurt, though.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:05 PM

Connery & Dalton were 6'2", Moore & Brosnan were 6'1", Craig is 6'0"

There is not a massive difference between someone who is 6'1" and 6'.  Certainly 1 inch will not give you any advantage in a fight.  Technique, creativity and doing what the other guy won't or can't do will give you an edge, but not one inch of height, or a couple of pounds of muscle.

There's more than an inch of difference here:

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:27 PM

Connery & Dalton were 6'2", Moore & Brosnan were 6'1", Craig is 6'0"

There is not a massive difference between someone who is 6'1" and 6'.  Certainly 1 inch will not give you any advantage in a fight.  Technique, creativity and doing what the other guy won't or can't do will give you an edge, but not one inch of height, or a couple of pounds of muscle.

There's more than an inch of difference here:

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Maybe Craig is using his big muscles to lift Brosnan off his feet! :)

Well, looks like that's the only person he'll be sweeping off his feet anytime soon! :) :)

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:35 PM

I watched "Layer Cake" for the first time last night and was very impressed by what I saw. And I was pleasantly surprised to find that Craig looks much better on screen than in some of the photos I've seen (although I was never one who thought he was "ugly"). I do agree with Loomis, though; "wiry" was exactly the word that came to my mind. I wouldn't mind if he filled out a little bit, but the big question is will he have the time? Even if he and/or EON thought he should bulk up a little, he can't really do it while he's still filming "The Visitation" (I think that's what it's called). I'm not sure how much down time he's going to have between wrapping up that film and starting work on "Casino Royale"...

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:56 PM

Craig is more of a somewhat built ecto/meso. He certainly is more fit than Brosnan. As for his movements, he needs to take a month or two worth of physical training at a military school or hire a professional combat instructor. He needs to kick his smoking habit if he wants to be in any true shape. I am talking about realistic combat training, not sissy stuff (no offense) like Karate or Tai Kwan Do if they hope to be "gritty". Matt Damon pretty much did the same thing although the one he took up slanted more towards performance (Eskrima, Filipino martial arts).

One thing Connery had was his physicality, the guy was like a panther; but he can still be improved on. Damon from Bourne was very fluid yet brutal - the original Bourne Identity's camera work also helped make it look cooler. One of the reasons Bourne was so popular was that he could kick anyone's :) with everday items and with his wits: a pen, a rolled set of newspaper and a telephone cable. I always hated how crappy the fights were in the Brosnan era films, hopefully, Craig gets that right. This is one of the reasons why I never completely convinced about Clive Owen, sure he can look cool but that man was not in the greatest shape to begin with (see Sin City) and he does not have the lithe and fit body to "beat someone up properly". Craig and Damon are approximately the same height, so Craig needs to get as fit as Damon.

It's one thing to look rough, its another to BE rough. Remember Damon did not look rough but when he goes into destructive mode it is a beautiful sight. :)

This would have been one of the advantages of hiring a more younger actor for Bond. I am starting to realize how much of a fit Bale would have been now, heard he did a lot of his own stunt work in Batman. :)

Edited by Stratus, 15 October 2005 - 11:57 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:01 AM

Hmmm.... you seem to know what you're talking about, Stratus. Welcome to CBn. :)

Yes, the Brosnan era fights were absolutely pathetic (with the exception of the scrap between Brosnan and Sean Bean in GOLDENEYE, which may not have been anything truly amazing but was at least along the right lines). It would be great to see the sort of really brutal, exciting fight sequences of the Connery and Lazenby eras and the Bourne films brought to Craig's tenure as Bond.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:13 AM

Thanks, can't believe I forgot to mention Lazenby!

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:14 AM

Anyone ever see that Muppets TOnight episode with Brosnan? When he tried doing his dancing at the end? Well that's generally how Brosnan does move - a bit awkward and stiff.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:55 AM

[quote name='Frankie' date='15 October 2005 - 23:05'][quote name='NATO Sub' date='15 October 2005 - 20:20']Connery & Dalton were 6'2", Moore & Brosnan were 6'1", Craig is 6'0"

There is not a massive difference between someone who is 6'1" and 6'.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:59 AM

I'd be difficult for him to get much "bigger". He's already fairly ripped, and it would seem (though I'm definitely not a fitness expert) impossible for him to get any bigger by January.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 01:00 AM

Craig is more of a somewhat built ecto/meso. He certainly is more fit than Brosnan. As for his movements, he needs to take a month or two worth of physical training at a military school or hire a professional combat instructor. He needs to kick his smoking habit if he wants to be in any true shape. I am talking about realistic combat training, not sissy stuff (no offense) like Karate or Tai Kwan Do if they hope to be "gritty". Matt Damon pretty much did the same thing although the one he took up slanted more towards performance (Eskrima, Filipino martial arts).

One thing Connery had was his physicality, the guy was like a panther; but he can still be improved on. Damon from Bourne was very fluid yet brutal - the original Bourne Identity's camera work also helped make it look cooler. One of the reasons Bourne was so popular was that he could kick anyone's :) with everday items and with his wits: a pen, a rolled set of newspaper and a telephone cable. I always hated how crappy the fights were in the Brosnan era films, hopefully, Craig gets that right. This is one of the reasons why I never completely convinced about Clive Owen, sure he can look cool but that man was not in the greatest shape to begin with (see Sin City) and he does not have the lithe and fit body to "beat someone up properly". Craig and Damon are approximately the same height, so Craig needs to get as fit as Damon.

It's one thing to look rough, its another to BE rough. Remember Damon did not look rough but when he goes into destructive mode it is a beautiful sight.  :)

This would have been one of the advantages of hiring a more younger actor for Bond. I am starting to realize how much of a fit Bale would have been now, heard he did a lot of his own stunt work in Batman. :)

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Spot on, Stratus... :)

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 01:43 AM


There's more than an inch of difference here:

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Maybe Craig is using his big muscles to lift Brosnan off his feet! :)

Well, looks like that's the only person he'll be sweeping off his feet anytime soon!

:) :) :)
Actually it looks like Brosnan is doing the lifting. Tha's how Craig looks even close to him in height.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 02:08 AM

I'd be difficult for him to get much "bigger".  He's already fairly ripped, and it would seem (though I'm definitely not a fitness expert) impossible for him to get any bigger by January.

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How would people feel about Craig wearing a muscle suit? :)

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 02:53 AM

Craig will be the first Bond since Connery in Thunderball to be able to take off his shirt and not look either fat or wimpy. The guy is built like a middleweight boxer, ripped as can be. Heck, they gave him his own shower scene in Tomb Raider with Anjelina Jolie walking in on him and using him as eye candy, the way that a male action hero will walk in on some unsuspecting female in a similar situation (think Maud Adams in TMWTGG). He may not be as tall as Brosnan or the rest, but he's more physically imposing in every other possible way than any Bond actor since Connery.