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#1 Bon-san

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:00 PM

See it HERE!

Don't know if this is for real (although Dr. Shatterhand is eminently respectable). My first reaction is this sounds pretty cool.

#2 ComplimentsOfSharky

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:05 PM

That sounds cool I guess...Cavill to Brosnan in twenty years? I dont see it, but the premise sounds cool.

#3 Johnboy007

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:05 PM

Sounds good to me. :) Daniel Craig looks like he can play a haunting villain. Sienna Miller needs no explanation. :)

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:06 PM

If this is true - then it would be fantastic.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:11 PM

I so hope this is true. It changes the formula but keeps it very close to what we all know and love. The best part is that Craig isn't bond.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:12 PM

See it HERE!

Don't know if this is for real (although Dr. Shatterhand is eminently respectable).  My first reaction is this sounds pretty cool.

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Very interesting! This would be a fun way of passing the baton from one Bond to another; Cavill would be primed, and then known to audiences, to take over in Bond 22. But of course, we are speculating idly. Some things don't quite fit here. Cavill ages into Brosnan, yet Miller and Craig will probably look pretty much the same? And if its supposed to be "the most faithful adaptation of Fleming's novel since 1969's OHMSS", this back-and-forth in time business doesn't seem particularly faithful.
It's an interesting way of tying all the Cavill-Craig-Brosnan rumors together and certainly would be something different for a Bond movie. But something about it seems a bit off.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:12 PM

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Great News IF True!




ps: This "news" makes sense. :) (you know it does)

#8 dinovelvet

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:15 PM

No, no, I've got it, its actually a remake of the 1967 Casino Royale! Brosnan, Craig, Cavill, and Sienna Miller are ALL playing James Bond!

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:17 PM

I was wondering how long that joke would take. :)

#10 Loomis

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:19 PM

Pierce Brosnan will be back as James Bond in 2006. Henry Cavill will be James Bond aged 28 in scenes that take place over 20 years ago.

Yes, it'd have to be quite a bit over 20 years ago, since in 1986 Brosnan's Bond was already a seasoned pro with a long-established working relationship with Alec Trevelyan's 006.

The "two Bonds in one film" idea is such a ripoff of INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE. They wouldn't, would they? Nah.

And Craig and Miller would have to have 20 years put on them by makeup people during the film, presumably. Given that Craig tends to look older than Brosnan now, I guess his 2006 Le Chiffre would look a bit like this:

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But, yeah, I guess all of the above could be done. Could it be that Dr Shatterhand has a major scoop?

Or is the good doctor pulling our legs? Is this the same site that did the Dirk Bogarde/Orson Welles MOONRAKER hoax, or was that another one?

#11 dinovelvet

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:23 PM

Or is the good doctor pulling our legs? Is this the same site that did the Dirk Bogarde/Orson Welles MOONRAKER hoax, or was that another one?

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LOL! Excellent photo. Yeah thinking about it there is soooooo much about this that doesn't quite make sense. For example, only two days ago did we hear that Babs had gone to see Sienna Miller in a play. Now all of a sudden she has not only screen-tested, but got the role?

I was excited to read all this stuff, but after a few minutes reflection, I think its a load of bollocks.

#12 Loomis

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:25 PM

Young Bond will believe the suicide ... Only to discover 20 years later she is still alive.

Hmmm.... a villain Bond thought was dead who turns out to be alive? When did we last see that? Oh, yes, DIE ANOTHER DAY. And before that, GOLDENEYE (okay, so Bond thought Trevelyan was a good guy who was dead, but, hey, it's basically the same idea).

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:25 PM

Sounds like a big mess to me. We get Bond reminiscing and a boy Bond? How did we ever get so lucky? So what's Bond 22 then, some geriatric farce? Boy Bond 2? Just sign Orlando Bloom and be done with it!

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:25 PM

Sources have said that actress Sienna Miller will play the tragic double agent, who falls in love with the young James Bond. Seeing that her communist superiors will execute her for siding with the British, she fakes her death and vanishes. Young Bond will believe the suicide and say the haunting final line, "The bitch is dead". Only to discover 20 years later she is still alive.

That is TERRIBLE.

It is worth adding that... Cavill looks like a younger version of Brosnan.

He does? News to me.

(And why would you need a younger Bond if you don't have a younger Vesper and Le Chiffre, anyway?)

What is this Dr. Shatterhand's background and reputation? Because basically this sounds to me like something that someone put together from reading the last week's worth of rumors.

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#15 Loomis

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:33 PM

I was excited to read all this stuff, but after a few minutes reflection, I think its a load of bollocks.

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Well, I gather that Cavill is an absolutely excellent actor - if he can do a decent impersonation of Brosnan, Rory Bremner-like, and I've no doubt that he's capable of that, then I'm sure he'd be a great choice for the young BrosnanBond, despite looking nothing like the young Brosnan. At any rate, he seems a much better choice for BrosnanBond than, say, Dancy or O'Lachlan.

But CBn's "sources" seem to have been adamant that Craig is being considered for Bond, not Le Chiffre - still, maybe they were trying to throw us fans off the scent.

I suspect that Craig - and leaving aside the much-debated question of his looks - is "too big for Bond", though. So wouldn't that make him too big for Le Chiffre, too?

Not buying this article.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:35 PM

hope its true.

#17 Loomis

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:37 PM

Cavill would be primed, and then known to audiences, to take over in Bond 22.

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I know that Eon seems to have a pretty slack approach to continuity, but wouldn't that work only if BOND 22 were set in the late 1980s?

Still, that'd be yet another way to airbrush the Dalton era from history.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:39 PM

Cavill playing a younger Bond for a part of the film and Brosnan taking over to play the 'normal' Bond is something I thought that could happen so it's not really a surprise.

It would make a nice twist of the original story IMO. It would incorporate the original story and also give somewhat of an own interpetation of it. It could work.

I am surprised that Craig is up for the part of Le Chiffre. I really thought he was being screentested for Bond. It could work I guess if an other older actor (Ewan Stewart?) plays the part in the rest of the film.

Sienna Miller as Vesper does not seem like a good choice, but she's also playing the younger version, so I guess there is an other actress for that part as well.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:39 PM

Cavill would be primed, and then known to audiences, to take over in Bond 22.

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I know that Eon seems to have a pretty slack approach to continuity, but wouldn't that work only if BOND 22 were set in the late 1980s?

Still, that'd be yet another way to airbrush the Dalton era from history.

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Unless Dalton comes back in Bond 22 playing Henry Cavill's Bond!

:)

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:42 PM

The question is, if this is Brosnan's last Bond and the production follows this format, how much of Brosnan's screen time going to be compromised?

#21 Loomis

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:47 PM

I am surprised that Craig is up for the part of Le Chiffre. I really thought he was being screentested for Bond. It could work I guess if an other older actor (Ewan Stewart?) plays the part in the rest of the film.

Sienna Miller as Vesper does not seem like a good choice, but she's also playing the younger version, so I guess there is an other actress for that part as well.

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Two Bonds, two Vespers, two Le Chiffres? It'd be fantastically difficult to make it work without CASINO ROYALE looking like 50% of one Bond film and 50% of another Bond film mashed together and clashing horribly. And as Kalel577 asks, how much of Brosnan's screentime would be compromised?

#22 H.M.Servant

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:47 PM

The question is, if this is Brosnan's last Bond and the production follows this format, how much of Brosnan's screen time going to be compromised?

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I would say the opening credits with Cavill, rest of the film with Brosnan.
But that probably won't work. Or maybe if they make the opening credits longer. Maybe a half hour or so.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:49 PM

Cavill would be primed, and then known to audiences, to take over in Bond 22.

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I know that Eon seems to have a pretty slack approach to continuity, but wouldn't that work only if BOND 22 were set in the late 1980s?

Still, that'd be yet another way to airbrush the Dalton era from history.

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I don't know, I mean I assumed (if any of this is true) that this was all about introducing Cavill as the new Bond, but having a 23 year old as Bond would be too jolting for people to accept; however if they do a Bond film where Brosnan plays Bond and Cavill plays the younger version, it would be a way of passing the torch and audiences would accept it. Of course it doesn't make much sense continuity-wise, and who knows how they'd reference this in future Bond films with Cavill, but then again continuity has never been the franchise's strong suit. Once a new actor takes over, we just sort of have to accept it as a reboot.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:53 PM

I am surprised that Craig is up for the part of Le Chiffre. I really thought he was being screentested for Bond. It could work I guess if an other older actor (Ewan Stewart?) plays the part in the rest of the film.

Sienna Miller as Vesper does not seem like a good choice, but she's also playing the younger version, so I guess there is an other actress for that part as well.

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Two Bonds, two Vespers, two Le Chiffres? It'd be fantastically difficult to make it work without CASINO ROYALE looking like 50% of one Bond film and 50% of another Bond film mashed together and clashing horribly. And as Kalel577 asks, how much of Brosnan's screentime would be compromised?

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Yeah, I know what you mean, but I don't think it would work with having a different actor for Bond (who's aged for 20 years) and have the same actor play Le Chiffre and Vesper?

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 09:00 PM

Cavill would be primed, and then known to audiences, to take over in Bond 22.

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I know that Eon seems to have a pretty slack approach to continuity, but wouldn't that work only if BOND 22 were set in the late 1980s?

Still, that'd be yet another way to airbrush the Dalton era from history.

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I don't know, I mean I assumed (if any of this is true) that this was all about introducing Cavill as the new Bond, but having a 23 year old as Bond would be too jolting for people to accept; however if they do a Bond film where Brosnan plays Bond and Cavill plays the younger version, it would be a way of passing the torch and audiences would accept it. Of course it doesn't make much sense continuity-wise, and who knows how they'd reference this in future Bond films with Cavill, but then again continuity has never been the franchise's strong suit. Once a new actor takes over, we just sort of have to accept it as a reboot.

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But surely even Eon wouldn't expect audiences to buy Cavill's Bond in 1986 listening to a-ha, the Pet Shop Boys and Whitney Houston cassettes on his Q-made Walkman (or, if the CASINO ROYALE script is really as dark and gritty as rumoured, The Smiths), and then just two or three years later Cavill's Bond in BOND 22 set in the late 2000s?

It is worth adding that both Henry Cavill and Pierce Brosnan are the same height and that Cavill looks like a younger version of Brosnan.

Worth adding if you want folks to fall for a windup, eh, Doc? :)

Then again, maybe, just maybe, this is true. If it is, then the people behind the Bond films are more unoriginal than I could ever have suspected.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 09:01 PM

Um, it's a joke, surely, gang?

'Sienna met with producer Barbara Broccoli and that her screentest opposite Henry Cavill is nothing less than HOT! Also back for more Bonding is Dame Judi Dench as 'M', John Cleese as the present day 'Q' and Samantha Bond as Moneypenny. Other sources have mentioned that the producers are preparing to make CASINO ROYALE the most faithful adaptation of Fleming's novel since 1969's ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE.'

Does it sound like it might be the most faithful from what has just been described?

An article further down the same page is headlined 'Brosnan Again Opens His Scathing Orifice'.

Are we this desperate? :)

Nice pic of Auden, Loomis - have I bored you with my intricate theory that he was KGB yet? :)

Perhaps I'll submit it to Dr Shatterhand.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 09:08 PM

I dunno. I posted some suggestion almost exactly like this in another thread (but not the part about having a different actor as Bond), and someone (can't remember who) suggested other people take this up as a fan fiction idea to develop. If anyone can remember who suggested this, it would be appreciated.

So given that I said almost the same thing, and I'm pretty sure others may have too, I'm wondering how true it is, or whether it's just some idea which has circulated around and now come back here full circle as potential plot spoiler?

Edited by Welshcat, 24 September 2005 - 09:09 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2005 - 09:13 PM

"Yeah, I know what you mean, but I don't think it would work with having a different actor for Bond (who's aged for 20 years) and have the same actor play Le Chiffre and Vesper?"

Aging make up works wonders. :)

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 09:14 PM

Very interesting idea; very interesting, indeed. Implementing the Young Bond flashback sequences, eh? That idea seems a tad sketchy for me but I have faith in Campbell's skills, this film will be Brosnan's last film, but he will definitely make a mark on the franchise. Good news... if it is, in actuality, true. As much as I would like that idea to be put into motion, I'll try my damndest to hold out until the official announcement to be made "within the next few weeks".

#30 blueman

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 09:18 PM

Amazing. What a sad state we're in.




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