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[Michigansoftball#1]

unless EON come to their senses and bring back Pierce Brosnan, or get Hugh Jackman! 

Remember it was a Sony rep who said that Brosnan's salary demands were exorbitant....so obviously Sony refused to pony up the $$'s to bring Brosnan back.

[Seannery]

[quote name='tdalton' date='1 September 2005 - 17:18'][quote name='return of the saint' date='1 September 2005 - 12:15']I hope Higgis reads Casino Royale (the book) before doing his re-write.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

I don't think you have read the script and heared the ideas, so you can't possibly know if a reboot will work or not.

Bond fans said that EON would change its idea after the Batman reboot failed at the box office. Instead that movie was a giant success so they have to take cheap shots at the idea.

Besides...all these fans will be there opening weekend and Casino Royale will be a BIG success...they are just sore because its not the Bond they want.

They would prefer to have the same old worn out formulaic Bond on another mission film instead of something fresh and exciting.

I have heard that Batman begins did NOT do very well at the box-office overall.

Also, to me and countless others (I would say the vast majority of people) there is absolutely nothing exciting about a rookie Bond, or any Bond who is real young!

There's a saying that you don't know what you've got until it's gone. I have no-doubt that this very much holds true with Pierce Brosnan as Bond, people will much better realize what a great Bond he has been after they see the joke that will take over after Brosnan is gone!

[Eye Of The Tiger]

If this is a Bond Begins, I won't be waiting in line to see the film as I have with the past 12 films.  You can freshen things up without going back to see Bond's first mission.  And I don't see how a 22 year old as Bond would re-invigorate the franchise.  I don't want to see a 007 that is not a seasoned pro.  And I hate how some people keep comparing Bond to Bourne.  Other than both being espionage related, they have completely different themes and structures.

OK.......I feel a little better now

You hit the nail right on the head there! If EON go with that kid as Bond, it will go down in movie history as one of the stupidest moves ever made by movie producers!!! And it will kill Bond, unfortunately.

[Michigansoftball#1]

If EON go with that kid as Bond, it will go down in movie history as one of the stupidest moves ever made by movie producers!!! And it will kill Bond, unfortunately. 

What a load of BULL!

[Agent 76]

Eon Productions + 40 year old successfull movie franchise = THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!

[return of the saint]

EON + the last Bond film (Die Another Day) = they may have lost the plot.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

[quote name='Michigansoftball#1' date='1 September 2005 - 16:57'][quote name='Eye Of The Tiger' date='1 September 2005 - 17:41'] If EON go with that kid as Bond, it will go down in movie history as one of the stupidest moves ever made by movie producers!!! And it will kill Bond, unfortunately.

[SirHilary]

I think we ARE going to get a seasoned Bond and not a rookie. The 'Bond begins' idea will be played down, I feel. As Dench & Cleese are to resume their roles, it looks like we'll be expected to believe this is the same Bond who's adventures we have shared these past four decades, except of course he'll be a different actor (unless Brosnan is enticed back). Maybe all we will have to get used to is seeing a new guy in the role and that's all. Love him or loathe him, depending on who is cast and how well he carries it off. Whoever the producers choose I'm sure they will 'make' him into Bond.

So, I'd say many of us can stop fretting about rumours of 'Bond begins' type of fears. Though personally, I like the idea in a way. Like the man says, EON know what they are doing.

Edited by SirHilary, 01 September 2005 - 09:37 PM.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

Eon Productions + 40 year old successfull movie franchise = THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING! 

Don't forget that for 30 of those 40 years Cubby Broccoli was in charge of EON, along with Harry Saltzman for about 15 of those years. This is the ever so brilliant Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson who are running the show now.

[Agent 76]

ok, let's calm down the nerves, and see what they will do with the damn movie.

[Bondian]

I think a more accurate response from him was probably "oh, bollocks!".

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

and really, there was nowhere else left to go in order to salvage the Batman franchise.

I don't agree with this.
Batman and Robin was bad, yes.
But I never felt it was bad enough to warrant a total re-boot of the series. Yes, it was too jokey. Yeah, it was waaay too camp.
But you know what?
So was Batman Forever and for some odd reason, the mass public seemed to enjoy the hell out of that one. I've always personally held Batman & Robin to be the Moonraker of the Batman series (too silly, too many jokes undercutting any burgeoning suspense). Like Bond with Moonraker, I always contended that the Batman series needed a subsequent more grounded entry (ala Bond with FYEO), but perhaps not a total re-boot. Maybe start off Batman 5 with Batman out for veangence over Robin's murder (which occurred off screen in the interim between 4 & 5).
Remove Robin, remove Batgirl and get Batman back to the 1989 film's darker, more somber, noir-ish roots.

With that said, I am glad so many here enjoyed the new Batman film, however.

[MarJil]

Don't forget that for 30 of those 40 years Cubby Broccoli was in charge of EON, along with Harry Saltzman for about 15 of those years. This is the ever so brilliant    Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson who are running the show now.  

But I think it's safe to say that for the past 25 years Michael Wilson has been the dominant creative force behind Bond, starting with FYEO, which he co wrote (and which he followed up by co writing all the films through LTK). He brought the series back to reality, which it has stayed in (other than DAD, which I think as the 40th anniversary film they had every intention of throwing in everything including the kitchen sink into). And Barbara seems very serious about living up to Cubby's legacy. People forget that many of the mistakes that Mike and Babs make are similar to things that Cubby did too. You make it sound like they are Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie jumping in without any experience whatsoever. Just remember that they have to look at the long term situation as well, and they aren't going to do something unless they are pretty sure that they are right. If they take a risk on someone like even Visnjic, they will have been convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the right way to go, because it's their livelihood, not just their passion.

[Pal]

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[Eye Of The Tiger]

[quote name='MarJil' date='1 September 2005 - 19:51'][quote name='Eye Of The Tiger' date='1 September 2005 - 16:36']Don't forget that for 30 of those 40 years Cubby Broccoli was in charge of EON, along with Harry Saltzman for about 15 of those years. This is the ever so brilliant

[Johnboy007]

This is the same old "Bond is dead" arguement heard in the 60's, except this time it's Brosnan and not Connery. The naysayers seem awful trigger-happy to bad mouth this film. The only knowns are Martin Campbell, the title, the writers, and the producers. We've heard only shards about the movie's plot and settings. Those can change right before production begins.

One cannot say that a 22 year old will be the death of this franchise. What movies has he killed? Probably none, so it's unfair to say he'll kill Bond.

Bond 22 will happen no matter the outcome of Casino Royale, and that gives Eon another chance to get things right.

[ACE]

Don't forget that for 30 of those 40 years Cubby Broccoli was in charge of EON, along with Harry Saltzman for about 15 of those years. This is the ever so brilliant    Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson who are running the show now.  

But I think it's safe to say that for the past 25 years Michael Wilson has been the dominant creative force behind Bond, starting with FYEO, which he co wrote (and which he followed up by co writing all the films through LTK). He brought the series back to reality, which it has stayed in (other than DAD, which I think as the 40th anniversary film they had every intention of throwing in everything including the kitchen sink into). And Barbara seems very serious about living up to Cubby's legacy. People forget that many of the mistakes that Mike and Babs make are similar to things that Cubby did too. You make it sound like they are Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie jumping in without any experience whatsoever. Just remember that they have to look at the long term situation as well, and they aren't going to do something unless they are pretty sure that they are right. If they take a risk on someone like even Visnjic, they will have been convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the right way to go, because it's their livelihood, not just their passion.

Totally agree.

[DLibrasnow]

This is the same old "Bond is dead" arguement heard in the 60's, except this time it's Brosnan and not Connery.  The naysayers seem awful trigger-happy to bad mouth this film.  The only knowns are Martin Campbell, the title, the writers, and the producers.  We've heard only shards about the movie's plot and settings.  Those can change right before production begins.

One cannot say that a 22 year old will be the death of this franchise.  What movies has he killed?  Probably none, so it's unfair to say he'll kill Bond.

Bond 22 will happen no matter the outcome of Casino Royale, and that gives Eon another chance to get things right.

Couldn't agree more! Well said.

[hrabb04]

Isn't it sad that Sony won't pay for Brosnan, but they will pay for a XXX sequel no one wanted and a little movie called Stealth that no one came to. What is wrong with that picture?

[Simon]

Don't forget that for 30 of those 40 years Cubby Broccoli was in charge of EON, along with Harry Saltzman for about 15 of those years. This is the ever so brilliant    Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson who are running the show now.  

That's all a bit sweeping - by all accounts Saltzman was a bit loopy if DVD extras are anything to go by.

Ordering 100s of sets of elephant shoes for a non existant elephant chase in Golden Gun. Putting his share of the Bond stock as collateral against his personal business interests which, of course, went belly up.

Even his own son stating he was out of his depth in some areas.

So compared to that, yes I believe, business wise, the current duo stack up better than the previous duo.

[ACE]

Don't forget that for 30 of those 40 years Cubby Broccoli was in charge of EON, along with Harry Saltzman for about 15 of those years. This is the ever so brilliant    Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson who are running the show now.  

Yes and producing the types of films that you obviously love so much to continue posting here.

Boy, producing a film is hard, hard work. Producing a Bond must be even harder (notwithstanding the obvious financial benefits, it is still very much a job of work).

Give Eon some credit as well as your hard-earned!

[Qwerty]

Isn't it sad that Sony won't pay for Brosnan, but they will pay for a XXX sequel no one wanted and a little movie called Stealth that no one came to.  What is wrong with that picture?

The fact that Stealth was perhaps even made. What a bomb IMO.

[Mister Asterix]

There's a saying that you don't know what you've got until it's gone. I have no-doubt that this very much holds true with Pierce Brosnan as Bond, people will much better realize what a great Bond he has been after they see the joke that will take over after Brosnan is gone!

[mra]That saying is more clich

[return of the saint]

On a differnt tack, I have two (I think quite interesting) questions.

1) As is standard practice in the Bond films, the writers stick around during production to make changes as they are needed. Who will perform this task? [In that it seems to me that Campbell is not convinced by the quality of Purvis and Wade's output]

2) How does this affect the credits of the film?

[Johnboy007]

On a differnt tack, I have two (I think quite interesting) questions.

1) As is standard practice in the Bond films, the writers stick around during production to make changes as they are needed.  Who will perform this task?  [In that it seems to me that Campbell is not convinced by the quality of Purvis and Wade's output]

2) How does this affect the credits of the film?

Very interesting questions, indeed.

1. It imagine it's still early to say who would perform those duties. I'm not sure Purvis and Wade did that for Die Another Day, and Tamahori did a lot of what you described.

2. Also difficult to say. Especially in the case of Bond, the Writer's Guild makes very bizarre choices as to who gets credited.

[ACE]

2) How does this affect the credits of the film?

2. Also difficult to say. Especially in the case of Bond, the Writer's Guild makes very bizarre choices as to who gets credited.

Yup, they sure do. Usually, the first writer(s) attached have a very good position and despite the changes wrought, will almost always be given the first credit. A polish/redraft/second pass has often gone uncredited on Bonds (although sometimes writers do not want credit - makes them look like hacks), to wit:

Terence Young - DN
Len Deighton - FRWL
Tom Mankiewicz - MR
Kevin Wade - GE
Dan Petrie Jnr, Nicholas Meyer - TND
Dana Stevens - TWINE

and

Le Frenais and Clement - NSNA

The directors often hire their own writers or work on scripts themselves.

It is a good sign Haggis is on board.

It is a statement - we are doing this with quality in mind.

Like Chabon in Spidey 2

ACE

[return of the saint]

So does Campbell have a prefered 'ghost writer' to stick around for the actual filming? From Wade's comment about Purvis and himself having completed their contract, I really can't see them coming back during production.

[Michigansoftball#1]

So does Campbell have a prefered 'ghost writer' to stick around for the actual filming?  From Wade's comment about Purvis and himself having completed their contract, I really can't see them coming back during production.

That is a little strange. Most of the movie sets I have been on have had the writer there in case a script issue comes up (to change lines etc)

[Mister Asterix]

2) How does this affect the credits of the film?

At this point the credits are pretty simple. I believe it will read:

Neal Purvis & Robert Wade
and
Paul Haggis

[mra]I