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#1 Scottlee

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 05:16 PM

Thought it would be interesting to compare the first and last of Brosnan's films, so let's start at the beginning....

Pre-title sequence
Both are fun to watch, but GE's one seems that little bit more inventive to me. It also has the advantage of containing THAT bungee jump. (GE 1 DAD 0)

Brosnan's performance
This is hard to judge, because unlike Moore and Connery, who very much had their peaks and troughs in a 007 tuexdo over the years, Brosnan for me plays a pretty consistant hand all the way through all his quartet. In the end, I award GE the point for this round if only because in that film Brosnan looks younger and more suave. (GE 2 DAD 0)

Stunts and jaw-dropping action
GE scores again, with its cocktail of bungee jumps, rampaging tanks, and self-destroying helicopters. In DAD half the fun is ruined by us not knowing what was done on computer and what wasn't. (GE 3 DAD 0)

Storyline
Both have a revenge tale, but where as watching Bond and Trevelyn slug is out has you gripped on the edge of your seat, the former doesn't even seem bothered when cutie pie Miranda Frost double crosses him. Bond even crouches over her dead body at the end as if it was Paris Carver who had just died again.

Additionally, the GE plot is intriguing for a good 2/3rds of the film. Gustav Graves' diamond caper just didn't seem much fun at all. (GE 4 DAD 0)

Gadgets/Cars
I don't know anything about cars, but DAD's Vanquish was quite cool. In GE the main car doesn't really get used much. It did though boast a brilliant exploding pen, which was used far more believably than the glass-cutting ring device in DAD. For this I shall award it the point (GE 5 DAD 0)

Bond girls
There isn't much between Xenia and Frost ; they were both excellent. On the goodies side however, Natalya Simonova is a pleasure where as Halle Berry is an incompetent pain in the butt (GE 6 DAD 0)

Villains
I could watch Sean Bean as Trevelyn all day. Gustav Graves? Not bad, but doesn't really set the world alight (no pun intended). I really think Brosnan's older 2002 Bond would have benefitted from facing an older main villain. At times it was like watching a teacher chase a naughty schoolboy. However, all the other DAD villains were very good. I liked Zao's subtle coolness. Miranda of course was superb. And I thought Mr Kill and the Icelandic techno geek were hilarious. Goldeneye also had good support for its main villain, with Xenia and Onatopp both imposing criminals. Boris annoys some Bond fans, but not me. I loved him. Close call this category, but DAD gets its first point (GE 6 DAD 1)

Final conflict
GE's Cuban hideout is one of the all time great "baddies lairs". Not only does DAD not have one of these, but it's moving plane things was tedious and uninventive. Lame way to finish. (GE 7 DAD 1)

Music
Eric Serra's score on GE could have been a LOT better. It just doesn't seem appropriate in many places. By contrast, DAD puts out a decent soundtrack with many memorable pieces to it - Madonna's song, The Cuba music, and London Calling. (GE 7 DAD 2)

Locations
I'm going with DAD because of the Iceland scenary, but it's lucky I don't penalise it for rehashing GE's Cuba idea. (GE 7 DAD 3)

MI6 back-up
DAD might not have Q, but John Cleese is a decent replacement. Just a shame then his efforts are in vain thanks to the absurd and pointless presence of Michael Madson whenever we cut to M's entourage. Moneypenny has some nice scenes, and the smooth talking of Colin Salmon is not something we get the pleasure of in GE. However, GE can boast both Q AND Michael Kitchen. Close call. GE gets the nod (GE 8 DAD 3)

Can't think of any other categories. Ok, final score is....

GOLDENEYE 8
DIE ANOTHER DAY 3

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#2 Qwerty

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 01:51 PM

Interesting thread Scottlee. I mostly agree with you, GoldenEye is my pick of the two.

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 10:52 AM

Interesting thread Scottlee. I mostly agree with you, GoldenEye is my pick of the two.

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I'd have to agree with both of you there. Watched GE there at the weekend, and while I thoroughly enjoyed DAD, watching GE I realised that the film was a very strong one and brought Bond brilliantly into the 1990's.

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 11:35 AM

I agree with everything you said but the villians. I'd rather have Alec and Xenia than Gustav Graves....and Miranda Frost isn't a villian....she turned over to the good side in the end and helped Bond escape...then they killed Halle Berry....yeah that's how it happened... yep..

ah...ok I'm back

I guess my score is GE:9 DAD:2

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 01:18 PM

Goldeneye had Cubby! :)

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 03:23 PM

The trouble with all the Brosnan Bond's is that don't really arouse great passion in fans. They are good, solid entertainment and even to me - a Dalton IS James Bond fan - Brozza is perfectly adequate.

None of the films get you going in the same way FRWL, Goldfinger, OHMSS, Spy and LTK did, each for there own reasons, and for which CR is likely to do if all the comments flying around are anything to go by.

James Bland films.

#7 YOLT

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 07:29 PM

I dont like DAD but I HATE GE so: DAD

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 07:39 PM

I'd have to support GoldenEye because it's the last film that, at least had some atmosphere, and was quite serious and well executed.

GoldenEye was more of a film that we were accustomed to, but since then we've been served some bad dishes.

#9 Mr. Somerset

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 05:36 AM

GoldenEye all the way. DAD is still pretty much my choice for worst film in the series, although it has grown on me. Eye at least feels like a Bond film (despite what is arguably a non-Bond sounding score), whereas Day seems like a Bond video game.

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 04:11 PM

GoldenEye all the way. DAD is still pretty much my choice for worst film in the series, although it has grown on me. Eye at least feels like a Bond film (despite what is arguably a non-Bond sounding score), whereas Day seems like a Bond video game.

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I would agree with you there completely, except that DAD hasn't grown on me at all. GE is definitely more of a traditional Bond movie, with more traditional non-American Bond Girls. I couldn't stand the action scenes in DAD and I couldn't care about ANY of the characters in that film either.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 05:13 PM

GoldenEye is the best Bond film of the Brosnan era - and I agree with your comparison aside from the villains category. I'd take the GE villains over the DAD villains anyday. Graves is just annoying instead of menacing, Kil is unmemorable, Zao looks cartoonish and was poorly acted(he shouldn't have ever gone albino - he looked cool enough just with the diamonds in his face during the bridge transfer), and Vlad was boring. The only one I liked was Miranda, who was the standout character from DAD aside from Brosnan's Bond.

DAD and I have been in a rollercoster relationship. I hated it, then I liked it, then I hated it, then I liked it, and now I hate it with a passion. It's a dreadful piece of cinematic trash that has the single asset of having a nice dose Bondish flair here and there.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 05:16 PM

GE and DAD are my two favorite Brosnan era Bonds. GE, for me, is the superior film. In fact, it's right up there among my favorite Bond films. But I also really like DAD. More than it seems most fans do.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 05:37 PM

Goldeneye by far. It had a legitimate "Bond film" quality: Luxurious locales,a European Bond girl who was unknown...Brosnan was in his prime...I love his attire in it.

DAD is one of the worst movies of all time. :)

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 10:25 PM

I'd have to support GoldenEye because it's the last film that, at least had some atmosphere, and was quite serious and well executed.

GoldenEye was more of a film that we were accustomed to, but since then we've been served some bad dishes.

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GoldenEye all the way. DAD is still pretty much my choice for worst film in the series, although it has grown on me. Eye at least feels like a Bond film (despite what is arguably a non-Bond sounding score), whereas Day seems like a Bond video game.

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I would agree with you there completely, except that DAD hasn't grown on me at all. GE is definitely more of a traditional Bond movie, with more traditional non-American Bond Girls. I couldn't stand the action scenes in DAD and I couldn't care about ANY of the characters in that film either.

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GoldenEye is the best Bond film of the Brosnan era - and I agree with your comparison aside from the villains category. I'd take the GE villains over the DAD villains anyday. Graves is just annoying instead of menacing, Kil is unmemorable, Zao looks cartoonish and was poorly acted(he shouldn't have ever gone albino - he looked cool enough just with the diamonds in his face during the bridge transfer), and Vlad was boring. The only one I liked was Miranda, who was the standout character from DAD aside from Brosnan's Bond.

DAD and I have been in a rollercoster relationship. I hated it, then I liked it, then I hated it, then I liked it, and now I hate it with a passion. It's a dreadful piece of cinematic trash that has the single asset of having a nice dose Bondish flair here and there.

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Goldeneye by far. It had a legitimate "Bond film" quality: Luxurious locales,a European Bond girl who was unknown...Brosnan was in his prime...I love his attire in it.

DAD is one of the worst movies of all time
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I can do no better than what these previous posters have said, so I've simply quoted them and marked in bold what I particularly agree with.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 10:50 PM

Goldeneye by far. It had a legitimate "Bond film" quality: Luxurious locales,a European Bond girl who was unknown...Brosnan was in his prime...I love his attire in it.

DAD is one of the worst movies of all time. :)

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Well, not all of his attire was great. That dark navy blazer with the gold buttons together with the slacks wasn't cool at all. It made Brosnan look like a complete dandy, and more like Remmington Steele than Bond. Brosnan's hairstyle wasn't so great either. He looked better dressed in TND or TWINE, and was in better shape, rather than the skinny Bond-lite of GE. In DAD, he was just becoming a bloater.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 11:21 PM

DAD is one of the worst movies of all time. :)

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Well, it's bad, but there's MUCH worse out there. XXX 2 anybody? :::shudders:::

I've decided there's only 2 moments I really like in Die Another Day. The first is the title sequence. No, it's not perfect (I hate the way it segues from film to credits), and Madonna's theme song is like nails on a chalkboard, but Daniel Kleinmann really did some interesting stuff with it. It's cool, and I like it. The second is Bond driving the Ford Fairlane in Cuba. That was wonderfully clever and fun, a moment too good for the pile of crap it was mired in.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 12:33 AM

GoldenEye is far superior!

But... Die Another Day is certainly not the worst. :)

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 01:28 AM

Goldeneye by far. It had a legitimate "Bond film" quality: Luxurious locales,a European Bond girl who was unknown...Brosnan was in his prime...I love his attire in it.

DAD is one of the worst movies of all time. :)

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Well, not all of his attire was great. That dark navy blazer with the gold buttons together with the slacks wasn't cool at all. It made Brosnan look like a complete dandy, and more like Remmington Steele than Bond. Brosnan's hairstyle wasn't so great either. He looked better dressed in TND or TWINE, and was in better shape, rather than the skinny Bond-lite of GE. In DAD, he was just becoming a bloater.

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Well, the "dandy" outfit was meant to fit in with the snooty jet/yacht set scene of Monte Carlo. I think it makes perfect sense for him to dress that way...he looks like a fabulously wealthy old money type, not a secret agent sniffing around looking for bad guys.I like the baige suit, the tux, the green safari gear,the 'Daylights commando gear and the long winter coat. I'd say he dresses damn good in most scenes in Goldeneye. His hair was too long too, I agree 100%. :)

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 01:42 AM

GE and DAD are my two favorite Brosnan era Bonds. GE, for me, is the superior film. In fact, it's right up there among my favorite Bond films. But I also really like DAD. More than it seems most fans do.

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Agreed in full. Whilst I was initially disappointed with DAD, it has steadily gained my respect, to where I now view it as quite fun.

Tarl, worst movie of all time? Come on, give that bit a rest, eh? :)

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 04:47 PM

Goldeneye by far. It had a legitimate "Bond film" quality: Luxurious locales,a European Bond girl who was unknown...Brosnan was in his prime...I love his attire in it.

DAD is one of the worst movies of all time. :)

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Well, not all of his attire was great. That dark navy blazer with the gold buttons together with the slacks wasn't cool at all. It made Brosnan look like a complete dandy, and more like Remmington Steele than Bond. Brosnan's hairstyle wasn't so great either. He looked better dressed in TND or TWINE, and was in better shape, rather than the skinny Bond-lite of GE. In DAD, he was just becoming a bloater.

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Well, the "dandy" outfit was meant to fit in with the snooty jet/yacht set scene of Monte Carlo. I think it makes perfect sense for him to dress that way...he looks like a fabulously wealthy old money type, not a secret agent sniffing around looking for bad guys.I like the baige suit, the tux, the green safari gear,the 'Daylights commando gear and the long winter coat. I'd say he dresses damn good in most scenes in Goldeneye. His hair was too long too, I agree 100%. :)

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So you admit it was a "dandy" outfit? :)

I wonder if Brosnan's Bond has different outfits in his wardrobe, with special labels on it: "cool tuxedo look", "military look", "dandy look"...

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 08:04 AM

I liked Pierce as Bond. However, only Goldeneye remains watchable. The tank scene is great. I like the appeal to nostalgia--which is the main reason I like this film most of any other Brosnan. I love the initial car chase with the DB5. Bond still uses a PPK and really does look effective with it. Good show!

DAD has a great sword fight. I like the twist of the long hair. The setting in Cuba was great. I most liked his escape and the Hong Kong scenes.

HB? Please. Out of her league in that movie.

I find that JD overplays her role quite a bit and wish they'd choose another M.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 09:05 AM

GoldenEye gets my vote. It's simply a better film in the way it fits together and the mood is quite nice and dark throughout. DAD didn't know what it wanted to be! As for villains, Xenia Onatopp beats anything DAD had. Although I prefer the Drax type villain, for a young villain Sean Bean did a much better job than that annoying git from DAD. I though villains were meant to be intimidating, not irritating!

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 08:50 AM

Goldeneye definitely gets my vote. Die Another Day is the worst Bond movie ever made, and possibly one of the worst movies ever made.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 04:34 PM

GOLDENEYE and DIE ANOTHER DAY are the only Brosnans I like. I'd say DAD is superior to GOLDENEYE. A perfect 40th anniversary adventure, and a great climax to the Brosnan era. :)

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:17 AM

Its got to be Goldeneye, not just the best Brosnan movie but one of the best Bond movies of them all. Although DAD is the only other Brosnan movie I like, it's seriously let down by the final 20 minutes.

Goldeneye has, imo, the best Bond villain of all time. Not only is Sean Bean a great actor but I loved the idea of the villain being an evil version of James Bond. Xenia was one of the all time great henchmen/women too. Natalya was one of the hottest ever Bond girls. I also liked the Russian element, it felt like a real Bond movie with Bond tearing up Moscow in a tank and derailing a bullet train.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 11:57 AM

Caught the last 15 minutes of GoldenEye on network television last night - I am so pumped about the return of Martin Campbell as director!

GoldenEye is one of the best James Bond movies - Die Another Day is one of the worst.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 04:07 PM

I agree with DAD being the worst (in my book), and I also tend to bracket GE as one of the best, at least until I give the matter some more detailed thought and remember that there are still a hell of a lot of Bond films I like better than it (I rated GE 13th in Qwerty's review threads)

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 11:34 PM

They were both awesome. I just watched GoldenEye with my dad last week, and I thought Xenia was a cool villian. The title theme was pretty good too. But Die Another Day's song was cooler. Along wih the torture sequence, I enjoyed that. Jinx was pretty cool, but I think of her more as a sidekick than a Bond girl. Then again, Bond has to sleep with every girl he meets, doesn't he... Anyway, It's the only movie I own on DVD (I taped GoldenEye). It's also the first Bond film I saw(I'm more of a new fan). So I'll say DAD.

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 11:55 PM

Caught the last 15 minutes of GoldenEye on network television last night - I am so pumped about the return of Martin Campbell as director!

GoldenEye is one of the best James Bond movies - Die Another Day is one of the worst.

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Now I have nothing to say in this thread. Perfect. :)

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Posted 06 May 2005 - 12:06 AM

They were both awesome. I just watched GoldenEye with my dad last week, and I thought Xenia was a cool villian. The title theme was pretty good too. But Die Another Day's song was cooler. Along wih the torture sequence, I enjoyed that. Jinx was pretty cool, but I think of her more as a sidekick than a Bond girl. Then again, Bond has to sleep with every girl he meets, doesn't he... Anyway, It's the only movie I own on DVD (I taped GoldenEye). It's also the first Bond film I saw(I'm more of a new fan). So I'll say DAD.

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Welcome to the forum, Darth_Xenia. Hope you enjoy it here! Yes, Xenia was a cool villain, one of my fave Bond girls. If DAD is the only one you have on dvd, I recommend tracking down the others, as there are several great documentaires, features, trailers, etc. The GoldenEye dvd (at least the USA version), circa 1999, is excellent. Anyway, back to the topic at hand, my preference is still GE, for Onatopp, OO6's villainous caper, Derek Medding's vs. CGI, the lovely Natalya, and it being PB's first outing.