Favorite Timothy Dalton James Bond Film
Posted 01 March 2005 - 03:51 PM
Posted 29 March 2005 - 04:34 AM
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 12:07 PM
A sort of forgotten cult movie buried (incredibly enough) in the most popular franchise of blockbusters in history, LTK is a bold and largely successful attempt to break from formula (well, the Eon formula, at least - the film is still mired in action/gangster movie cliche), and is one of very few Bond flicks to deliver genuine suspense. The writing is terrific (in places), Robert Davi superb as perhaps the most complex and interesting villain of the series, and the locations and action first-rate. You get the feeling that they did at least try to make a Bond film for grown-ups, who might at one point have flicked through a Fleming paperback. And the fact that LTK is part of the same series as A VIEW TO A KILL (a film I'm also very fond of), which was released just four years earlier, is something I find strangely wonderful.
Posted 29 March 2005 - 12:16 PM
Posted 29 March 2005 - 12:20 PM
Actually, on reflection.... is TLD the better film? Yes - just. I remain of the view that a Bond film without a Barry score isn't really a proper Bond film (then again, I also remain of the view that a Bond film without Connery isn't really a proper Bond film ). Also, TLD has more of a globetrotting, "epic" feel, and Dalton's debut performance is better than his second turn as 007 - more charming, less stagey.
Posted 29 March 2005 - 01:47 PM
I still don't think this Leiter is that bad. He's only in a couple of scenes. And let's be honest, Jack Lord came across as rather stiff in Dr. No although a lot of people praise him. Although I liked Rik Van Nutter in TB, the only Leiter who seemed like he was really close to Bond was David Hedison.
Yes, the villains are a bit of a let-down in THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS (with the exception of Necros, who's cool), as are some of the goodies (notably Leiter, who comes across as an extremely dull fellow who'd probably blow away in a gale).
Posted 29 March 2005 - 06:25 PM
Posted 02 April 2005 - 06:28 PM
I also like the way it incorporated the kind of lavish sets Moore might've visited, without them ever seeming out of place from the film's realistic tone (Sanchez's home; the mediation resort).
And I have to disagree about his choice of hairstyle in the casino. Remember, his whole cover was that of an arrogant, flashy, gun-for-hire, and he was attempting to stick out on purpose. Beyond that, let's face it, he just looked like a total badass in those scenes! I mean, how often do you see a hero brandish a tiny little gun and still look completely deadly?
Edited by TheBritishEnd, 02 April 2005 - 06:29 PM.
Posted 06 April 2005 - 09:59 AM
We both loved it and for me it was better than ever! Best Dalton Bond even though i also like LTK.
Posted 29 April 2005 - 07:37 PM
i dont understand why people say it broke from the formula. theres no moneypenny scene, and Q has a larger role, but he still gets the bad guy and he still gets the girl(s). yes, he is a rogue agent, and theres no humor, but he's still a ruthless spy.
and lets face it, many bond movies are personal on some level. Goldfinger is, OHMSS is, AVTAK is. LTK is just moreso. (although i'd like to see the personal vengence stuff cut down some in CR... it was a bit overdone by DAD)
so it strays from the norm a little, but just the right amount to make it really fresh. great movie.
Posted 08 May 2005 - 03:11 AM
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 04:45 PM
"The Living Daylights" and "Licence To Kill" feel more like two parts of a single superior Bond film. In TLD, you have great action sequences, great music, great locations. On the other hand, the plot, characters, and 'realism' are all very very weak. Brad Whitaker and Georgi Koskov are a couple of bumbling, giggling buffoons (I'm having a hard time recalling worse villain(s) in the Bond films...those two make Charles Gray look like Robert Davi). Kara Milovy is a like a teenage little sister of a Bond girl. The Soviet air base in Afghanistan is like a Disney theme park ("Rambo III", while also cartoonish, at least presents a ruthless and dangerous setting by contrast). Imagine "The Living Daylights" as a novel written by Ian Fleming where the first scenes in Afghanistan are described as "a bright, sunny day. The Soviet airbase had maybe two or three fighter planes parked in it. General Koskov merrily skipped along, meeting Colonel Feyador, handing over Bond and Kara while effortlessly aquiring men and trucks without question...all this in the oppressive, paranoid regime of the Soviet Union." A far cry from cold "From Russia, With Love" to be sure.
"Licence To Kill", as if in direct reaction to its predecesor's short-comings, offers a menacing, well-conceived villain who is perfectly cast. The two main Bond girls are both strong and have their own motivations and agendas (apart from tagging along with Bond...both basically want to use him). Also, the plot and tone of the film is gritty and fairly realistic. However, other important facets of the film fall by the wayside. The music, cinematography, and editing do not meet Bond film standards. I think this is what people mean when they say "The Living Daylights" feels more like a Bond film. Attempts at punching up the dialogue ring phony...especially with Pam ("Look, pal, I was an Army Pilot! I've flown through some of the toughest hell holes in South America! And I will NOT have you lecture me about professionalism!") Although the first two acts of the story move along at a good clip, everything (namely the pace and tension) comes to a crashing halt when Pam meets Joe Butcher.
So which do I prefer? For me, they're really a draw.
Posted 05 July 2005 - 04:04 AM
Edited by licensetostudy, 05 July 2005 - 04:08 AM.
Posted 26 July 2005 - 04:35 PM
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Posted 31 July 2005 - 07:32 AM
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Posted 31 July 2005 - 05:15 PM
Posted 31 July 2005 - 06:35 PM
I like them both so it is really difficult for me to choose. But, then again I like all of the Bond movies. There really isn't one I can't sit through and enjoy. If I had to give an edge then I would pick TLD, but Dalton was good....not my fav, but good. I wish he could've had one or two more Bond movies in the early 90's but I guess I'm satisfied with two.
If only Property Of A lady was a Bond film with Dalton
Posted 01 August 2005 - 10:04 PM
Posted 16 August 2005 - 05:30 PM
Posted 18 August 2005 - 02:07 AM
I prefer LTK, myself. It's one of my favorite Bond films.
LTK is also one of my favorites. TLD is my #1, but LTK is also in my Top 5.
Also, welcome to the forums.
Posted 18 August 2005 - 03:14 PM
TLD introduced a very handsome dashing Timothy Dalton as James Bond, however the villians were about as threatening as the Village People. Although pretty Kara Molova seemed like a virgin nun candidate on her way to take her final vows of chastity. On the positive side the score and production values were pretty good.
LTK had pretty poor production values, and messed up a good personal revenge premise that was original at the time in the Bond series. Robert Davi was good as were most of the baddies, however, the plotline of the drug cartel was too Miami Vice. Carey Lowell was absolutely horrible. Dalton did not age well. His hair stylist should have been whipped, and the all important casino scene was flat.
I found Daltons James Bond frustrating. He nailed the intensity and angst of the man but fell flat on his face when it came to sophistication and seduction. Dalton had no chemistry with the ladies...at all. He was average in the fight scenes (better then Moore worse then Connery and Lazenby)
I never had the feeling that he was enjoying being James Bond. He was/is a wonderful actor with incredible skills but I sadly found him a bit mis-cast in the role.
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