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[MrDraco]

Time to rant guys, time to rant,
(Dons Rant Cloak and staff)
I just watched The World Is Not Enought again for the millionth time...I like the movie some one, but it has to be my least favrite bond film of the series even though i love them all i consider them my children sickly so but what is it about the movie that appeals to people sure the Q boat was a cool piece of the movie but the rest to me was like bond in a daytime tv like Soaps...It just was bore scene to scene never doing any thing intresting until the SIlo shot out and then bore until madians tower...
It just didn't set well with me, i remember seeing it in the theater and being so excited and i saw it and thought...WHats happened here?

[Doubleshot]

My only complaint about the film is it's terrible, headache inducing photography by Adrian Biddle and the boring, old-fashioned editing by Jim Clark. I could also do without the cardboard cut-out Christmas Jones and Denise Richards' great take on her. Otherwise, I like the film a lot.

But shouldn't this be in the Brosnan forum?

[Mousey]

TWINE is my favourite Brosnan Bond movie alongside GE (it depends what mood I'm in which I think is better) and I find it to be absolutely brilliant.

At the cinema I was the most excited I've ever been, it was just superb, as a 15 year old.

However, the one major thing I have against the movie, and I thought I was mad for ages until I read the Bond Files by Andy Lane and Paul Simpson, is the action scene on the mountain with the parahawks. I thought it was a great action sequence but a bit pointless in the movie.

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

Heh-heh; I can't WAIT until DLibrasnow sees this post;P.

You hit the nail on the head: TWINE is boring. It's like a James Bond soap opera where everyone is overacting and overemoting. My least favorite Bond film - it will never be purchased on DVD...

[Dunph]

I've moved this rant

[BONDFINESSE 007]

christmas jones made the whole movie a joy to watch, but you guys knew i was going to say that lol

[MrDraco]

TWINE is soooooooo overated....its like a dinner party that never ended...sorta like breakfast club bot Brosnan gives us his best with what he has to work with..

[Genrewriter]

My opinion of the film has dropped considerably after seeing Die Another Day several times. While I applaud the attempt at a more serious Bond film, the filmmakers forgot to make it fun as well. After the boat chase, the only moments I really get into are the Caviar Factory sequence and the torture scene. The film is probably close to dropping from my top ten.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

it will never drop from my top 5 list, or my top 3 list

[MrDraco]

I like the movie, but its not on my top ten, Die Another Day killed it...its funny alot of people who liked the worlds not enough completely hate die another day and the chances are they didn't like Tomorrow Never Dies Either but went for goldeneye....and the opposite for those who liked die another day...but me i like the all but don't pay as much attention to The world is not enough as i do the rest (or never say never again )

[Ed King]

Originally posted by MrDraco
Die Another Day killed it

DAD almost killed the whole series.

[Ed King]

I think that TWINE is a great movie. It has some drawbacks, but none can take away its greatness. First of all, we have the boat chase, then the neat title seq

[Tanger]

I've never really liked the movie and whilst it was OK the first time, it just gets more boring the more I watch it. It has many flaws and I think one of the main ones is that it tries to hard to be an engaging thriller and hark back to the old movies, but just falls flat on its face.

[Righty007]

I love The World Is Not Enough! It is my favorite Brosnan film and is one of my top five favorite Bond films of all-time.

[MrDraco]

Die Another Day was a great bond movie even with all the rip offs or what ever obviously halley barry was rip off of wai lin simply because the actress (name starts with an M) didn't sign on for the roll....Some times i think they rushed the movie to much for the 40th or pressure from MGM...somethings in just didn't go well but i love it, its in my top 5 of bond films

[Doubleshot]

Originally posted by Ed King:
A plot that was ripped from DAF.

Hardy a defense against the film, but TWINE doesn't have much in the way of originality either. It's just an reinterpretation of the villians' plots in Goldfinger and A View to a Kill: destroy the industry competition so only the villian's product is available for only him to profit from. If you look at the recent films, you'll hardly find any original plots - and once you hit the 17th Bond, you'll have trouble trying to think of them. GoldenEye was also a very "Diamonds"-esque plot with the satellite and all, with Xenia Onnatop a 90s reincarnation of Fiona Volpe and Fatima Blush. Tomorrow Never Dies is a 90s reinterpretation of the World War III plots used in You Only Live Twice, The Spy Who Loved Me, and Octopussy. Whichever Brosnan film you like the most, I don't think you'll find the most original plot. I love every Brosnan film for its strengths, and most of them have great stories and modern spins of the old stories, but let's face it: James Bond isn't the most original guy anymore. Everything has been done at least once.

[MrDraco]

Very good call Doubleshot,

[Ed King]

Originally posted by Doubleshot
Hardy a defense against the film, but TWINE doesn't have much in the way of originality either. It's just an reinterpretation of the villians' plots in Goldfinger and A View to a Kill: destroy the industry competition so only the villian's product is available for only him to profit from.

I never said TWINE is an original movie. No Bond movie has been original since... I don't know, FRWL? However, being not totally original and being a complete ripoff are very different things.

[zencat]

TWINE's okay. I don't love it or hate it. It's sort of like TB or TMWTGG for me. I can watch it when I'm in the mood. I do really like the torture scene.

[Doubleshot]

Originally posted by Ed King
I never said TWINE is an original movie. No Bond movie has been original since... I don't know, FRWL? However, being not totally original and being a complete ripoff are very different things.

In my mind, Die Another Day's no more a ripoff than TWINE is. Same plots, just a few changes. Take out Goldfinger, Pussy Galore, and Odd Job, throw in the Elektra King character and Renard's sympathetic villian and you have changed Goldfinger into TWINE. Take out Blofeld, Vegas and the diamond smuggling chain and throw in Miranda Frost and the torture scenes and you've successfully changed Diamonds are Forever into Die Another Day.

[Turn]

I agree with you Doubleshot. I remember hearing the plot of TND and immediately thought YOLT/TSWLM remake. Then again, a lot of the films even back in the Connery years were remakes in one way or another, at least on a basic level.

But the point about GE having the satellite thing is something I've thought before also and wonder why nobody brings this up but automatically brands DAD as a DAF remake because of its deadly satellite. GE just seems to get held to a higher standard by a lot of people it seems.

[Prav_007]

This movie did haf some good movie elements like intense action and compelling drama. But i definelty do agree that this movie had some unneccesary actors, i mean actor, like Denise Richards (I am glad she won a razzie for her role). But u haf to admit, the pretitle sequence was full of brisk action and drama. I remember how pumped i was during the chase for the cigar girl (OH GOD, that was a NICE speed turbo motorboat!!) Although this movie had some boring scenes, and had predictable plot (We all knew Elektra King murdered her father, before she admitted it), its did haf some enjoyable moments, like when James Bond had his BMW Z8 in the caviar factory (Geez i wish that car was sliced in half by the helicopter) And the fight with Renard (Robert Carlye was a brilliant terriorist and bond villian, how interesting of a villian, a bullet in the head!!) So don't diss TWINE that much, this movie was enjoyable...

[Doubleshot]

Originally posted by Turn
But the point about GE having the satellite thing is something I've thought before also and wonder why nobody brings this up but automatically brands DAD as a DAF remake because of its deadly satellite. GE just seems to get held to a higher standard by a lot of people it seems.

I agree completely. GoldenEye doesn't take its story from merely one Bond film as the others do, we get a series of past Bond sequences and plots. SPECTRE's plot to steal the nuclear warheads in Thunderball by using a pawn identical to a high ranking military officer becomes Janus' plot to steal the Tiger helicopter. Quite a few things - the location of Monte Carlo and the obvious similiarities between Xenia Onnatop and Fatima Blush for example - are derived from Never Say Never Again. GoldenEye has become for the 90s Bond fans what Goldfinger became for the 60s Bond fans, The Spy Who Loved Me became for the 70s, and For Your Eyes Only became for the 80s - an undebateable classic. Period. You're not allowed to find the flaws in it. Some fans feel like they have to fit into the mold that Sean Connery is the best - the only - James Bond and Goldfinger is the best Bond film ever made and GoldenEye is the rebirth. Sorry, GoldenEye is a great film - but it's not that great in my mind.

[Tarl_Cabot]

"A villain who's wearing a ridiculous Robocop suit..."

And when he was electrecuting Bond I couldn't help but think of the emperor torturing Luke in Return of the Jedi. What were they thinking?

TWINE did one thing very well and that was send off Desmond and introduce the perfect replacement, John Cleese. Pretitle in Spain was awesome too but the movie went down hill after that.

[kevrichardson]

As things stand for now The World Is Not Enough is Brosnan's From Russia with Love . Far superior to Die Another Day or Goldeneye .

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Dr.Carl Mortner
Heh-heh; I can't WAIT until DLibrasnow sees this post;P.

You hit the nail on the head: TWINE is boring. It's like a James Bond soap opera where everyone is overacting and overemoting. My least favorite Bond film - it will never be purchased on DVD...

Dr. Mortner, my thoughts on this abomination of a movie are well known, but they were recently reinforced -
I saw the terrible "Casino Royale" (1967) on Turner Classic Movies this past weekend....You know, I managed to sit through it, which is something that I cannot manage to do with TWINE....That tells me that IMO "The World is Not Enough" is worse than the unfunny spoof "Casino Royale"....It is not only the worst Bond movie ever but it probably ranks as one of the worst "action" (I use the term loosely because there's hardly any of it in this travesty) movies of the last 30 years.

I haven't been able to sit through TWINE since I saw it the first night it was out in the movie theater. I almost walked out in disgust then too...I promised a CBNer (who will remain nameless) that I would try and sit through it a couple of months back but I failed...I simply don't like it. Really, after the boat chase it slips into melodrama and never recovers. It is the most boring non-fun movie of the franchise.

- It was boring and they turned James Bond into a Nancy-boy.
- The action setpieces seemed artificial and forced

[Tarl_Cabot]

LOL I'll never tire of hearing you rip TWINE.It wasn't as bad as DAD though.

[Qwerty]

The World Is Not Enough is an average 007 movie to me. In my lists, it seems to always hover around the #10 spot. I remember looking forward to seeing it in the theatre when it first came out, but after watching it thousands of times, the movie is just not enough.

Christmas Jones is a idiotic fool who just rants on about scientific info that no one really seems to care about.

Renard is a WEAK villain. Some people say that the key to a great Bond film is how the villains are portrayed, lucky that Elektra King saves TWINE from the dumps.

Of what little action scenes there are, they are just overkill. Take the parahawks scene for instance, a lot of useless shooting for no real reason to the plot. Michael Apted must have just thrown in these action scenes just to make it a Bond movie.

YES, a TV soap opera does describe this film. It is an overplayed drama that just doesn't flow.

Now, I do like the film, but it will never get to my top 5, but it also won't sink into my bottom 5. The World Is Not Enough is just average.

[Genrewriter]

Agreed, Christmas made Stacy Sutton look VERY good. Renard was underused and underwritten. The screenplay seemed to forget to have fun and the resulting film followed suit. There certainly is a place for serious stuff in a Bond film but the road TWINE goes down is in dire need of repaving.

[SPECTRE No. 7]

I really liked TWINE. When I first saw it I thought it was the BEST - now, I think not. And while parts of it are great (the entire pre-credits: the Bankers office, Moneypenny, the Boat Chase; Elektra as played by Sophie Marceau), some of it is truly awful. While the cinematography doesnt kill me, it is terrible and that scene where Elekta "cant breathe" is simply embarrassing - I would watch Stepmom if I wanted over-emoting. But it's still better than DAD.